New normal?

[CF DolFan]

I think eventually we'll see an outright ban of the ar-15 and any similar weapon. it's pretty much inevitable at this point. 
And we'll eventually see a constitutional amendment narrowing the 2nd if the NRA obstructionism keeps going.
If you buy politicians and you give the people only one way to solve a constitutional problem, they'll eventually take it.

What will the ban be ... "No "scary looking guns"? Most of what everyone is saying about them is just plain wrong. 

[Fau Teixeira]

i think you'll see a ban on all long barreled semi automatics

[Dolphster]

I don't mean for this to sound like an NRA commercial, but there is some validity in it.  Most estimations are that there are over 300 Million guns in the United States.  No draconian legislation will ever pass that makes those existing 300 Million guns go away even if a complete end to ALL gun manufacturing is immediately enacted.  Those existing 300 Million guns represent the potential for many, many years of violent criminal acts waiting to happen.  Also, the school (along with many other mass murder locations) was already a "Gun Free Zone".  Full disclosure, I am a gun owner and I work for a federal law enforcement agency, but by no means am I a "gun nut".   And I am even in favor of tightening some gun laws,  more thorough background checks, age restrictions, etc.  But I am interested in law changes that will actually make a difference rather than "gun free zones", etc. 

[Spider-Dan]

i think you'll see a ban on all long barreled semi automatics

Or anything with an external magazine.

Yeah yeah, "We'll just make bigger guns to enclose the magazine."  Fine.  If everyone carrying a gun eventually has to lug around something the size of a bazooka to evade all the regulations, so much the better.

I'm actually in favor of open carry over concealed carry for this reason.  If these wanna-be tough guys like Michael Dunn intend on starting fights while armed, they should be openly armed so their fake courage is on full display from the beginning.

[Tenshot13]

I don't mean for this to sound like an NRA commercial, but there is some validity in it.  Most estimations are that there are over 300 Million guns in the United States.  No draconian legislation will ever pass that makes those existing 300 Million guns go away even if a complete end to ALL gun manufacturing is immediately enacted.  Those existing 300 Million guns represent the potential for many, many years of violent criminal acts waiting to happen.  Also, the school (along with many other mass murder locations) was already a "Gun Free Zone".  Full disclosure, I am a gun owner and I work for a federal law enforcement agency, but by no means am I a "gun nut".   And I am even in favor of tightening some gun laws,  more thorough background checks, age restrictions, etc.  But I am interested in law changes that will actually make a difference rather than "gun free zones", etc. 

No you won't.  Most hunting rifles are semi automatic and not AR-15s.  Most Shotguns are semi automatic. 

[Dolphster]

No you won't.  Most hunting rifles are semi automatic and not AR-15s.  Most Shotguns are semi automatic. 

Sorry, but I'm confused by your comment of "no you wont".  I'm not sure what you are referring to.  And yes, most hunting rifles are semi auto and I don't know anyone who hunts with an AR-15 type rifle.  And most shotguns are in fact semi automatic in that they don't have to be reloaded in order to fire again (except for single shot shotguns of course), but I'm confused as to how any of that relates to my post. 

[Tenshot13]

Sorry, but I'm confused by your comment of "no you wont".  I'm not sure what you are referring to.  And yes, most hunting rifles are semi auto and I don't know anyone who hunts with an AR-15 type rifle.  And most shotguns are in fact semi automatic in that they don't have to be reloaded in order to fire again (except for single shot shotguns of course), but I'm confused as to how any of that relates to my post. 

That's my fault, I quoted the wrong post...I meant to quote this one:

i think you'll see a ban on all long barreled semi automatics

No you won't.  Most hunting rifles are semi automatic and not AR-15s.  Most Shotguns are semi automatic.


Just to add Dolphster, people use ARs to hunt hogs.  Since they're a nuisance animal, set up a feeder, wait for hogs to gather, and unload.  Never did this myself, but had a neighbor that did this all the time.

[Phishfan]

That isn't what I call hunting.

[pondwater]

I don't think it matters.  Stats show that it's largely the same set of nuts stockpiling more and more guns (3% of Americans own half of the total guns), and they already have enough weapons to deal plenty of damage to your average movie theater, elementary school, or open-air concert.

We need to radically reduce the number of guns those people have to make a real impact.

So people who exercise their 2nd amendment constitutional rights are nuts? I guess that explains why most Democrats sound like nuts when exercising their 1st amendment rights.

[pondwater]

No you won't.  Most hunting rifles are semi automatic and not AR-15s.  Most Shotguns are semi automatic.


Just to add Dolphster, people use ARs to hunt hogs.  Since they're a nuisance animal, set up a feeder, wait for hogs to gather, and unload.  Never did this myself, but had a neighbor that did this all the time.

That isn't what I call hunting.

And just so we're clear for the people who know nothing about firearms. AR15 in their native caliber of 5.56/.223 are a relatively weak when compared to hunting rifles and shotguns. So weak in fact, that some places won't let you hunt large game with them.

What will the ban be ... "No "scary looking guns"? Most of what everyone is saying about them is just plain wrong. 

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how an AR15 is different and/or worse than all the other semi auto firearms in existence. Anyone?

[CF DolFan]

i think you'll see a ban on all long barreled semi automatics

Damn  ... no more 22s for squirrel hunting.

[CF DolFan]

And just so we're clear for the people who know nothing about firearms. AR15 in their native caliber of 5.56/.223 are a relatively weak when compared to hunting rifles and shotguns. So weak in fact, that some places won't let you hunt large game with them.


I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how an AR15 is different and/or worse than all the other semi auto firearms in existence. Anyone?

Because it is what is being focused on. Who knows what they ago after next? 

People don't realize they look scarier because people can customize them but they are really just a small game hunting rifle. It's really no different than someone customizing their Jeep to look more intense than a regular Jeep.  I will say I have recently learned they are making better ammo for them so they can be used for hunting larger game. Used to be you couldn't use them for large game at all so that was news to me. 

[Spider-Dan]

So people who exercise their 2nd amendment constitutional rights are nuts?

If you have more guns than fingers, you're a nut.

It's really no different than someone customizing their Jeep to look more intense than a regular Jeep.

...but if the only function of a Jeep was to kill living beings.

[pondwater]

If you have more guns than fingers, you're a nut.
...but if the only function of a Jeep was to kill living beings.

Yes, because 99%+ of the privately owned firearms in the country don't kill people. I guess they failed at their intended function. Or maybe you just made that shit up. When you make up "facts" about a subject you have no knowledge of, you're a nut...

[Spider-Dan]

Perhaps I'm wrong.

What is the intended function of a firearm?  As in, what is it designed to do?