New normal?

[pondwater]

Plus a slight majority are pro choice the overwhelming majority of Americans support gun control.

Over 90% of all Americans including a substantial majority of gun owners support requiring background checks for all gunsales including private sales and gun shows. 

The majority of gun owners supports banning bump stocks.

The majority of gun owners support banning high capacity magazines.

Where do these stats come from? They're not even close to being accurate.

[CF DolFan]

Numbers are so skewed it isn't even funny. For instance ... Senator Bill Nelson sent me, and other Florida voters, a poll asking if we support commonsense gun control? My question is ... who doesn't? The issue is what is commonsense to me is not sensible to my liberal friends and vice versa. There is a huge spectrum included in that answer.

Modified to add that a this same poll just popped back up on my Facebook feed. hahahahaha

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Numbers are so skewed it isn't even funny. For instance ... Senator Bill Nelson sent me, and other Florida voters, a poll asking if we support sensible gun control? My question is ... who doesn't? The issue is what is sensible to me is not sensible to my liberal friends and vice versa. There is a huge spectrum included in that answer.

You have a partial point.  Yes, everyone wants "sensible" and there is some disagreement on what is "sensible" But there are things with near unanimous support.

Banning bumpstocks and requiring background checks for all gun buyers has universal support with just a fringe few opposing those two changes.

Banning the sale of all new semi automatic rifles has wide support but not the overwhelming universal support of the other two. 

A confiscation of all existing guns including single shot rifles and shotguns is supported by only a fringe few. 

So yes, there is a continuation of perspectives but right now our current gun laws cater to one fringe, that claims that any change would be as bad as the opposite fringe position.

[CF DolFan]

You have a partial point.  Yes, everyone wants "sensible" and there is some disagreement on what is "sensible" But there are things with near unanimous support.

Banning bumpstocks and requiring background checks for all gun buyers has universal support with just a fringe few opposing those two changes.

Banning the sale of all new semi automatic rifles has wide support but not the overwhelming universal support of the other two. 

A confiscation of all existing guns including single shot rifles and shotguns is supported by only a fringe few. 

So yes, there is a continuation of perspectives but right now our current gun laws cater to one fringe, that claims that any change would be as bad as the opposite fringe position.

Background checks for all is far from universal. Few people would want to have to go through a broker to sell their firearm. As well ... many people don't want the government tracking what they have.

If what you are saying were true there would already have been a deal in place.   

[pondwater]

You have a partial point.  Yes, everyone wants "sensible" and there is some disagreement on what is "sensible" But there are things with near unanimous support.

Banning bumpstocks and requiring background checks for all gun buyers has universal support with just a fringe few opposing those two changes.

It may have support from people ignorant of how firearms work. But people with knowledge of firearms know that you can bumpfire very easily with your belt loop, a stick, or even just your finger. Simple physics. Are you going to ban belt loops, sticks, and fingers also?

That's like banning straws for drinking beer. People will just do it a different way and pick up the bottle and drink or pour it in a mug. More useless legislation isn't going to help anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RdAhTxyP64

Banning the sale of all new semi automatic rifles has wide support but not the overwhelming universal support of the other two. 

That's never gonna happen.
 

A confiscation of all existing guns including single shot rifles and shotguns is supported by only a fringe few.

Also never gonna happen.
 

So yes, there is a continuation of perspectives but right now our current gun laws cater to one fringe, that claims that any change would be as bad as the opposite fringe position.

Not when you take into account that 99%+ of privately owned firearms in the US never kill anyone. That stat alone says that there is no serious epidemic. You have a better chance of dying from cancer that a firearm. Go ban cancer!

[Sunstroke]

Background checks for all is far from universal. Few people would want to have to go through a broker to sell their firearm.

And 0% of criminals would want to sell through a broker.

As well ... many people don't want the government tracking what they have.

Then, instead of collecting weapons that can kill people, I suggest you consider collecting Hummel figurines or something.

Happiness is a Warm Gun (bang, bang, shoot, shoot)...

[Phishfan]

Background checks for all is far from universal. Few people would want to have to go through a broker to sell their firearm. As well ... many people don't want the government tracking what they have.

If what you are saying were true there would already have been a deal in place.   

Every poll I have seen shows a large majority are in favor of background checks. As for needing a broker, that can be avoided by creating a universally accessible system so any of us can run our own checks with approval from the buyer. As for not wanting the government to know,  I just say grow up to those people. They already know what you drive, where you live, who you talk to and much more if they care to look into it all.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

How often do ordinary gun owners sell their guns.  The gun owners i know have never sold even one.

One friend almost sold one, but found out 5 minutes before he was going to deliver it that the buyer had a restraining order for threating his ex-girlfriend.  He doesn't want the gun, but won't sell it, because he does not want it in wrong hands.

He is a gun owner who is a huge proponent of background checks.

[Tenshot13]

How often do ordinary gun owners sell their guns.  The gun owners i know have never sold even one.

One friend almost sold one, but found out 5 minutes before he was going to deliver it that the buyer had a restraining order for threating his ex-girlfriend.  He doesn't want the gun, but won't sell it, because he does not want it in wrong hands.

He is a gun owner who is a huge proponent of background checks.

Happens all the time...upgrading is the usual reason.  If I have a Glock 9mm and buy a Kimber Custom 9mm, I could sell my Glock.  Some people will just hold both though.

[CF DolFan]

How often do ordinary gun owners sell their guns.  The gun owners i know have never sold even one.

One friend almost sold one, but found out 5 minutes before he was going to deliver it that the buyer had a restraining order for threating his ex-girlfriend.  He doesn't want the gun, but won't sell it, because he does not want it in wrong hands.

He is a gun owner who is a huge proponent of background checks.

Funny you should ask. I'm selling one right now so I have money for Bike Week. Want to purchase it? It's a EAA Witness 10mm

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Happens all the time...upgrading is the usual reason.  If I have a Glock 9mm and buy a Kimber Custom 9mm, I could sell my Glock.  Some people will just hold both though.

So you are at the gun dealer anyway. Just do a trade in and call ot a day.

And still how often will an average gun owner going to do this?  A couple of time over the course of a lifetime.  That level of inconvenience is worth preventing guns getting into criminal hands.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Funny you should ask. I'm selling one right now so I have money for Bike Week. Want to purchase it? It's a EAA Witness 10mm

And you don't care if i am a psychopath or not as long as the check clears?

[pondwater]

Happens all the time...upgrading is the usual reason.  If I have a Glock 9mm and buy a Kimber Custom 9mm, I could sell my Glock.  Some people will just hold both though.

How you like the Kimber in 9mm? Been looking for a commander length 1911 in 9mm.

Funny you should ask. I'm selling one right now so I have money for Bike Week. Want to purchase it? It's a EAA Witness 10mm

Buddy of mine has a CZ75, those are really good shooters.

[CF DolFan]

And you don't care if i am a psychopath or not as long as the check clears?

I won't accept a check ... hahaha.  If the person seems sketchy I obviously wouldn't sell it but there are a ton of people who swap guns all the time. My FIL goes almost every single weekend to a gun show with a group of guys and they will sell and/or swap while there. I don't think you get just how "normal" it is for guns to change hands among the gun owners of this world. At least here in the south it's pretty normal.

Every poll I have seen shows a large majority are in favor of background checks. As for needing a broker, that can be avoided by creating a universally accessible system so any of us can run our own checks with approval from the buyer. As for not wanting the government to know,  I just say grow up to those people. They already know what you drive, where you live, who you talk to and much more if they care to look into it all.

Even if you have a "system" for doing it on your own there is still a charge to maintain and operate said system. Nothing is free or hidden.

How you like the Kimber in 9mm? Been looking for a commander length 1911 in 9mm.

Buddy of mine has a CZ75, those are really good shooters.

Haven't shot the Kimber 9mm but Kimber makes some very nice guns. They are one of the few who spend money on looks. I recently purchased a Sig Sauer 9mm that I love so I no longer have a need for the 10mm. It's always been my favorite but no longer needed. I carry a Ruger .357 so they are only used for home defense.

I'm not actually against background checks but I completely understand those that do not. I've had to endure a background check along with having fingerprints taken, training and so on. The truth is I learned more from growing up with guns than a basic course will ever teach.

[Spider-Dan]

More kids die from many other ways so it just seems a little hypocritical that schools are the only place people are whining about. Kind of like only worrying about a few blacks being killed by cops and ignoring the fact a black man is 2000x more likely to be killed by another black man in their own neighborhood.

Again we are back to good old "What about black on black crime?"  This is always the worst counterexample, because "black on black homicides" are murder, and everyone agrees that we should stop murder.  However, you don't believe a few unarmed blacks being killed by cops are also victims of murder, and so you DON'T think we should take significant action to stop it.

The ultimate irony is that Chicago liberals have TRIED to stop "black on black gun crime" by enacting tough gun control laws, but local gun control laws can't work when it's a 10 minute drive to the wild west of Indiana, where a 13-year-old can legally buy an AR-15.  Only a federal gun control law can have the kind of effect needed to drive down gun homicides in places like Chicago.

And while we're on the subject of disagreements of what constitutes murder:

To you it doesn't matter. To people who believe that an abortion is killing an actual baby they are comparable. As such ... that's exactly why one side thinks it is a choice and the other thinks it is murder.

Obviously, you know exactly what it is like when an act that you consider murder is considered a necessary transaction by someone else.  Liberals don't consider zygotes or fetuses incapable of surviving outside the womb to be full humans with a constitutionally protected right-to-life.  Similarly, conservatives don't consider black people accused of crimes by the police to be full humans with a constitutionally protected right-to-life.

So I think that, not gun control, is the better analogy to draw.