New normal?

[Fau Teixeira]

The common denominator is some crazy (not NRA member) with a gin attacks people in a gun free zone. How can we make that situation safer?

if only we could commission studies in order to explore causes and solutions to this kind of gun violence.
unfortunately due to NRA lobbying, the government and the CDC are prohibited from funding these studies.
i guess we can just keep wondering how we can fix it without data and facts .. *shrug*

[CF DolFan]

This kid had a shotgun and a pistol from his father so the majority of the liberal propaganda just got tossed out the window. No made up term "assault rifle" was used. No high capacity magazine and no gun show loophole.  Outside of taking all guns away ... which isn't even possible ... these things are going to happen.  Obviously hold the father accountable as well.

It really sucks to admit this but our society is screwed up. We can argue all day why that is but everyone knows that is true. With that said ... in a society so screwed up where it is bad to assume a girl is a girl or a boy is a boy then people are going to hurt other people for a variety of reasons.  The only thing we can do is to protect ourselves. Gun free zones are the most vulnerable so they will continue to be hit.  Once we protect our elementary, middle and high schools our universities will be the next targets and so on.  People want fame and to hurt as many others as they can.

[CF DolFan]

if only we could commission studies in order to explore causes and solutions to this kind of gun violence.
unfortunately due to NRA lobbying, the government and the CDC are prohibited from funding these studies.
i guess we can just keep wondering how we can fix it without data and facts .. *shrug*

Honestly ... I don't even know how to address this as it seems pretty silly.  The CDC recently admitted they skewed or purposely left out the results of gun statistics so that it didn't show how many times a bad person was stopped with a good person with a gun.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Honestly ... I don't even know how to address this as it seems pretty silly.  The CDC recently admitted they skewed or purposely left out the results of gun statistics so that it didn't show how many times a bad person was stopped with a good person with a gun.

Bullshit.  They haven't been able to do any meaningful research in two decades.

[CF DolFan]

Bullshit.  They haven't been able to do any meaningful research in two decades.

Maybe you forgot about Obama ordering them to do one in 2013? https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3

You know ... the one where they purposely left out the statistics that showed
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/04/30/that-time-the-cdc-asked-about-defensive-gun-uses/#4c14fe68299a

Florida State University professor Gary Kleck, “What Do CDC’s Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses?“


Kleck looked at some previously unpublished results from the CDC surveys conducted in the 1990s and concluded:

In 1996, 1997, and 1998, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) conducted large-scale surveys asking about defensive gun use (DGU) in four to six states. Analysis of the raw data allows the estimation of the prevalence of DGU for those areas. Estimates based on CDC’s surveys confirm estimates for the same sets of states based on data from the 1993 National Self-Defense Survey (Kleck and Gertz 1995). Extrapolated to the U.S. as a whole CDC’s survey data imply that defensive uses of guns by crime victims are far more common than offensive uses by criminals. CDC has never reported these results.

These are the exact reasons why they were stopped. they were being funded by gun control lobbyist companies and were based on opinion and not fact. It was and is too easy to leave out opposite opinions (as they did) and facts when they don't support you.

[Spider-Dan]

It really sucks to admit this but our society is screwed up. We can argue all day why that is but everyone knows that is true.

This is just another situation where satire is so accurate, it becomes tragedy and then farce.

From The Onion: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

This is why Trump was lecturing Brits on how much knife crime they have... because they don't have mass shootings any more after severely restricting guns.  Anyone want to pull the statistics on how many people died in the last mass stabbing?  Or perhaps talk about the last time a guy stabbed hundreds of people below from the 30th floor of a nearby skyscraper?

With that said ... in a society so screwed up where it is bad to assume a girl is a girl or a boy is a boy then people are going to hurt other people for a variety of reasons.

When all else fails, redirect to the usual sources of blame.

Mass shootings have nothing to do with anyone's naughty bits, and it's ridiculous of you to try to bring that up.

[Fau Teixeira]

Enough of this good guy with a gun BS. It's the equivalent of solving a coyote problem by introducing cobras into the ecosystem to hunt the coyote.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Things certainly have changed in 50 years.  In 1968 kids stayed in school to avoid the military.  In 2018 more people have died n school shooting than in the military.  Drop out of school and join the Army, its safer.

[CF DolFan]

This is just another situation where satire is so accurate, it becomes tragedy and then farce.

From The Onion: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

This is why Trump was lecturing Brits on how much knife crime they have... because they don't have mass shootings any more after severely restricting guns.  Anyone want to pull the statistics on how many people died in the last mass stabbing?  Or perhaps talk about the last time a guy stabbed hundreds of people below from the 30th floor of a nearby skyscraper?
When all else fails, redirect to the usual sources of blame.

Mass shootings have nothing to do with anyone's naughty bits, and it's ridiculous of you to try to bring that up.

They kill with trucks and bombs too. The area of concern is (or should be) stopping the killing and not making them use a different instrument to do it.  Statistics show having a good person take them out as soon as possible is the best way to avoid more killings from a crazy person.

This country was founded with guns and as such, a provision was put in that made sure that would never change. This means if you don't like being around guns then move to a country where guns are not a right.

[Spider-Dan]

Trucks are not devices designed specifically for the intent of inflicting injury.
You could make a strong claim that bombs are, which is why it makes sense that generally speaking, it is illegal for private citizens to make or possess bombs.
If the Las Vegas shooter was forced to use a knife instead of a gun, well over 99% of the casualties would have been stopped specifically because he was forced to use a different instrument.  I'd call that working as intended.

Now, if you want to make the argument that the existence of the 2nd Amendment means that we have no choice but to accept hundreds of schoolchildren being shot to death as the cost of doing business, fine.  As we have discussed before, I think it's perfectly reasonable to read the 2nd Amendment as applying only to "a well-regulated militia," and I think the first ~200 years of its judicial interpretation is consistent with such a position.  It wasn't until relatively recently that activist Republican judges started insisting that it applies to everyone.

[Phishfan]

This kid had a shotgun and a pistol from his father so the majority of the liberal propaganda just got tossed out the window. No made up term "assault rifle" was used. No high capacity magazine and no gun show loophole.  Outside of taking all guns away ... which isn't even possible ... these things are going to happen.  Obviously hold the father accountable as well.

As a gun owner who generally sides with liberals on a lot of things, I find this worse for us gun owners. I'm not a guy who needs the thrill of an ar or ak though I have had fun shooting them. I would rather the focus of ire be on guns I don't plan on buying but turning the focus on things I do is not good.

[Phishfan]

Spider, you always leave this section out when you quote the amendment,  the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[CF DolFan]

As a gun owner who generally sides with liberals on a lot of things, I find this worse for us gun owners. I'm not a guy who needs the thrill of an ar or ak though I have had fun shooting them. I would rather the focus of ire be on guns I don't plan on buying but turning the focus on things I do is not good.

I would rather the focus be on the people causing the issue. It appears that not one of the ridiculous (from my point of view) laws that has been proposed would have stopped this circumstance. It wasn't an assault rifle even under the liberal definition. It was an underage kid who wasn't supposed to legally have a gun. The person he stole it from obtained them legally (and should be held accountable).  Sadly ... this just reaffirms law abiding gun owners issues with adding new laws. 

It's crazy to me ... and I'm being serious when I say that ... that we do not blame cars for DUI deaths but we do guns when the rate of deaths is much higher.

In all honesty I think that the fall of the American family and the values that come with that is to blame but I know that isn't politically correct to say. It appears this kid was spurned by a girl several times and he couldn't take it. In a world where everyone gets a trophy he couldn't get the girl so he made others suffer.  I think the only way to fix the lack of parenting that causes these things is to secure our schools. It's too easy for crazy people to make a name for themselves.

BTW ... I saw a young white guy going to high school this morning and he was wearing a military style jacket and had that kind of loner look. I instantly thought should i follow this guy? Obviously if he was black or Arab I would know how it would be interpreted but since he was white am I still guilty of racial profiling? 

[Dolphster]

Regardless of where any of us stand on gun legislation, it is pretty evident that Congress will never pass any "meaningful" gun restrictions.  They will pass the occasional minimally impactful law, but the gun industry and groups have way too much money and way too much support from the large "pro gun" voting base to ever pass anything that will have any real teeth to it. After all, the one thing that politicians care about more than anything else is getting re-elected.   I read where one of the Parkland kids was quoted after last week's Texas school shooting, "Now Congress will do their traditional two weeks of pretend outrage."  Paraphrasing there, but you get the idea. 

[Dave Gray]

We have a dumb idea that owning an unlimited amount of guns is a birth-right in this country.  That's just dumb.

Every citizen is not, by default of their being born here, capable or responsible or sane enough to be given that right.  So long as we have this mindset, we will continue to have this problem.

I don't mind an armed public, but the onus should be on the individual to earn that right, like with many other things.  Even then, there would still be incidents, but way fewer.