Proper Anthem Conduct

[Sunstroke]

One of these days I am hoping that you will say something that I don't agree with so we can have a spirited debate on it.  But damn, it seems like your viewpoints mirror my own on just about every topic. 

Wait a minute...your parents taught you common sense as well? 

 

[CF DolFan]

Was your 47-year-old white female boss pulled out of the car at gunpoint?

Yes

Was she cuffed and put in the back of a cruiser?

She was cuffed but I'm not sure if she was placed inside the car

Most importantly, was there an actual robbery?

No clue. To my knowledge no one ever verified or even cared to verify the story. It was a funny story of her drive home that she told the next day. She was late picking up her kids so it actually cost her money.

Being treated as a suspect for a crime that actually happened is not remotely the same thing as being treated as a suspect for a crime that the police just made up.

But don't worry.  I'm sure the dashcam footage for those "tipsters" will be showing up very soon.  Any day now.

I've seen enough videos of "police abuse" to know that more times than not it isn't the cop making up stories. 

[Spider-Dan]

CF, if there were an actual robbery (in some other car), we would not be discussing this incident.  The problem is that a) there was no robbery and b) there is no footage of the supposed tipsters, which makes this look exactly like a fake excuse for police pulling a teenager out of a car at gunpoint because he is suspiciously being black.

[CF DolFan]

CF, if there were an actual robbery (in some other car), we would not be discussing this incident.  The problem is that a) there was no robbery and b) there is no footage of the supposed tipsters, which makes this look exactly like a fake excuse for police pulling a teenager out of a car at gunpoint because he is suspiciously being black.

If what you say is true then I would agree. The problem is not all of the evidence is typically disclosed and people panic. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

That’s convienient to make someone feel better about themselves but no one, or very few at least, see the protests as being against racism.  Even many people who support the protest admit the message was lost a long time ago.

Even those who whine the protesters are disrespecting the military, know that it is a protest about police brutality.  And those that refuse to address the actual problem and use this diversion tactic are racists by very definition.

[Cathal]

It was distorted from the beginning.  Kneeling =/= police brutality.  You can't call people racist when they are being patriotic and find offense when someone disrespects that.

Kap made it quite clear from the beginning what it was about. People refused to listen.

[CF DolFan]

Even those who whine the protesters are disrespecting the military, know that it is a protest about police brutality.  And those that refuse to address the actual problem and use this diversion tactic are racists by very definition.

It doesn't matter the message. I've said this before ... if you spit in my face but want to speak with me about helping homeless kids then I'm not listening to you. For many Americans purposely kneeling during the anthem spits on the bones and blood of their friends and relatives. No one cares that Kenny Stills was doing community service yesterday (and he was) because he spit on them Sunday.

[Tenshot13]

Kap made it quite clear from the beginning what it was about. People refused to listen.

I don't care if he wrote a 1000 word essay perfectly explaining his stance.  Like it or not, this is a highly patriotic country, and when he chose to kneel during the national anthem, it was a big middle finger to the people who hold that dear.  If I go up to you and tell you, "Go fuck yourself" then say you must listen and support me for some sort of injustice or your a racist, you aren't going to listen are you?  So how is that not distorted?

[Spider-Dan]

I submit that a big part of why you consider silently kneeling to be equivalent to "spitting in my face" or "telling me to go f*ck myself" is because you don't agree with the cause of the protest itself.

You have made it quite clear that you don't believe racially targeted police brutality is a problem in this country.  So why would you agree with a protest claiming otherwise?

[Cathal]

I don't care if he wrote a 1000 word essay perfectly explaining his stance.  Like it or not, this is a highly patriotic country, and when he chose to kneel during the national anthem, it was a big middle finger to the people who hold that dear.  If I go up to you and tell you, "Go fuck yourself" then say you must listen and support me for some sort of injustice or your a racist, you aren't going to listen are you?  So how is that not distorted?

Just wow.... Wow.... He goes in-depth on why he did what he did and when he did it. We should not be discussing the kneeling, or that it's coming from an athlete. We should be discussing the problem he is trying to talk about. Seriously, when did common sense get thrown out of the window? I just can't comprehend this. Instead of looking at institutional racism/bias in the police force, let's not even worry about that, and instead, tell athletes to shut up.

You really are part of the problem if that is your view. He is acting as patriotic as any American by trying to stand up for those who don't have a voice. I bet you would have told Rosa Parks to get to the back of the bus, she shouldn't be protesting on the bus. It's our law, sit at the back. If you have something to say, go say it off the bus.

Now what YOU are doing is the most un-American thing there is. No doubt America is highly patriotic. But you view any dissent (it seems) as an attack on America. How un-American are you?

I mean, really?

[CF DolFan]

I submit that a big part of why you consider silently kneeling to be equivalent to "spitting in my face" or "telling me to go f*ck myself" is because you don't agree with the cause of the protest itself.

You have made it quite clear that you don't believe racially targeted police brutality is a problem in this country.  So why would you agree with a protest claiming otherwise?

I realize in your race baited glasses everything from a white person comes from a racist position but I wouldn't care if he was protesting persecuted Christians. Protesting during the anthem is wrong from where I sit. Anything said after that is meaningless regardless of if I agree or disagree.

[pondwater]

Even those who whine the protesters are disrespecting the military, know that it is a protest about police brutality.  And those that refuse to address the actual problem and use this diversion tactic are racists by very definition.

So are you saying that people who disagree with protests taking place during their chosen sports entertainment are racists? All of them?

[Tenshot13]

Just wow.... Wow.... He goes in-depth on why he did what he did and when he did it. We should not be discussing the kneeling, or that it's coming from an athlete. We should be discussing the problem he is trying to talk about. Seriously, when did common sense get thrown out of the window? I just can't comprehend this. Instead of looking at institutional racism/bias in the police force, let's not even worry about that, and instead, tell athletes to shut up.

You really are part of the problem if that is your view. He is acting as patriotic as any American by trying to stand up for those who don't have a voice. I bet you would have told Rosa Parks to get to the back of the bus, she shouldn't be protesting on the bus. It's our law, sit at the back. If you have something to say, go say it off the bus.

Now what YOU are doing is the most un-American thing there is. No doubt America is highly patriotic. But you view any dissent (it seems) as an attack on America. How un-American are you?

I mean, really?

I'm not part of any problem, and I'm sorry you can't understand that view, but that is the reason people are against this.  I understand that point of view, just like I understand why Kaep is doing what he's doing.  Maybe if you tried to understand the other side instead of throwing insults of racism and "common sense" you would get a better dialog.  You're acting like this is some small subset of America that believes this is disrespectful....it's about half the country buddy.

I'm not so narrow minded to not try and see everyone's point of view, that's a you problem.  You are also projecting quite a bit, I never said he can't kneel.  In fact, if the government (not the NFL) made it so he couldn't kneel, I would be highly against that, as it's his right as an American, even if I don't agree with it. 

Like I said, I would dare say close to half of America thinks he is being unpatriotic and disrespectful.  That's a lot of people he's confusing by kneeling during the national anthem.  These are the same people that stand up for the anthem, take your hat off if you have one.  You can think that's stupid or whatever, but that's what has been ingrained in our society for a few generations now.

[pondwater]

I submit that a big part of why you consider silently kneeling to be equivalent to "spitting in my face" or "telling me to go f*ck myself" is because you don't agree with the cause of the protest itself.

You have made it quite clear that you don't believe racially targeted police brutality is a problem in this country.  So why would you agree with a protest claiming otherwise?

I realize in your race baited glasses everything from a white person comes from a racist position but I wouldn't care if he was protesting persecuted Christians. Protesting during the anthem is wrong from where I sit. Anything said after that is meaningless regardless of if I agree or disagree.

It's not even an anthem thing for me. I don't tune into a football game to see people's political views. Hell, I don't care about any of their views about life. I'm there for ONE REASON, to watch football. They need to do that shit on their own time and with their own money and stop shoving it in people's faces who are there for ONE REASON.

Kind of reminds me of those fruity kids wearing white shirts and black ties that knock on my door every so often trying to sell me on Jesus. Fuck you, fuck your Jesus, get out of here kid I have better shit to do. If I want god, I'll go to church. Slam.

Or maybe those telemarketers that call my personal phone and try to sell me an extended warranty. Fuck you, fuck your warranty, if I want a warranty I'll go buy one. Click.

So, when I'm watching my sport of choice. Pick up the ball and run around and entertain me. Otherwise, fuck you, fuck your protest.

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I submit that a big part of why you consider silently kneeling to be equivalent to "spitting in my face" or "telling me to go f*ck myself" is because you don't agree with the cause of the protest itself.

You have made it quite clear that you don't believe racially targeted police brutality is a problem in this country.  So why would you agree with a protest claiming otherwise?

To be honest, I'm really not sure where I sit on the issue.  Statistically, there isn't a case for racially targeted police brutality being a problem, I feel the media has a lot to do with blowing things like this out of proportion.  In a country with 325.7 million people, 703 people (out of that, 278 white, 129 black) have been shot and killed by police this year, and 987 last year.  (source:  Washington Post-left bias...https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7e292200f2a5)

That is not even close to statistically significant for any race.  On the other hand, I know statistics can be skewed to fit a narrative, and sometimes things are bigger than statistics.