Dallas police officer enters man's apartment and shoots him (split from anthem thread)

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

She was not arrested for three days, which gave her plenty of time to construct a story that fits with the evidence; e.g. "I parked on a different floor than usual (?), therefore I forgot what floor I live on."  If this apartment building has assigned parking spaces (like every apartment complex I've ever seen), you'll know the fix is in.

Most apartment complexes I lived in did not assign exact spots.  You need a sticker to use the lot but actual spots was first come first serve.

[Spider-Dan]

Assuming of course that you are aware that's what you are doing. If after she saw the picture she demanded it be destroyed and rather it's posted on the internet without her knowledge that's something completely different.

That's a fair point.  Someone claimed that picture was from her social media account, but I haven't been able to corroborate that.

But that wasn't really the point I was objecting to.  You said that the picture didn't really have much to do with the topic unless she was the one giving the signal, and that's not accurate; if she was OK with it (meaning, she knew about it and didn't object), then it is absolutely relevant to the topic at hand.  So if she was the person who posted it, or she liked it, or she made a flippant comment on it without addressing the problem, all of those indicate tacit acceptance.

However, before we can even address the issue of whether she endorsed this picture, we should first come to an agreement on what we are looking at.  Do you agree that this guy is making gestures supporting white supremacy, or no?  Because it seems kind of pointless to argue about whether she's complicit if you're ultimately going to take the position of, "These are perfectly innocent hand gestures that have nothing to do with racism."

edit: On a related note, I fundamentally reject the idea of saying "I'm not a real racist guys, I was just shouting 'Blood And Soil' to trigger the libs" as an excuse.  In this case, simulated support for white supremacy is indistinguishable from genuine support for white supremacy.  You can't pretend to be a white supremacist while marching next to your political allies who are waving swastika flags.

[pondwater]

That's a fair point.  Someone claimed that picture was from her social media account, but I haven't been able to corroborate that.

But that wasn't really the point I was objecting to.  You said that the picture didn't really have much to do with the topic unless she was the one giving the signal, and that's not accurate; if she was OK with it (meaning, she knew about it and didn't object), then it is absolutely relevant to the topic at hand.  So if she was the person who posted it, or she liked it, or she made a flippant comment on it without addressing the problem, all of those indicate tacit acceptance.

However, before we can even address the issue of whether she endorsed this picture, we should first come to an agreement on what we are looking at.  Do you agree that this guy is making gestures supporting white supremacy, or no?  Because it seems kind of pointless to argue about whether she's complicit if you're ultimately going to take the position of, "These are perfectly innocent hand gestures that have nothing to do with racism."

edit: On a related note, I fundamentally reject the idea of saying "I'm not a real racist guys, I was just shouting 'Blood And Soil' to trigger the libs" as an excuse.  In this case, simulated support for white supremacy is indistinguishable from genuine support for white supremacy.  You can't pretend to be a white supremacist while marching next to your political allies who are waving swastika flags.

Maybe if those gestures actually mean white power or something of the sorts. And maybe if she actually knows/knew that those symbols mean white power or something of the sorts. And just maybe, if she actually looked down to see that he was making hand gestures at all. Most people look at the camera when taking a picture, not down at other peoples hands.

The fact is that I've never even heard of the "OK" gesture being a racist gesture until all the fake news last week at the Kavanaugh hearing. So I guess if I was in a random picture with someone I know making a random hand gesture that I knew nothing about then I would be "the racist of the week" too. Give me a break.

[Fau Teixeira]

Even if she made a mistake, and even if she was an on duty cop, shooting someone twice cause he didn't listen to your voice commands is unacceptable.  When have we as a society decided that it's ok for police to kill people. It's never ok, what happened to de-escalation and to calling for backup.

Every time a cop shoots someone and it's found that there wasn't a gun pointed at them, they should go to jail for murder. every single time. Last resort should never be the first resort.

[CF DolFan]

The more I see about this case the more I think there is something fishy going on. Not sure if she was under some sort of influence, if she had a previous relationship with victim or what but it doesn't make much sense to me.

My wife got pulled over a few years ago and did not have her purse or insurance. My daughter was with her and texted me to bring her purse as they were blocks from my house. I pulled in front of the female officer so they could see and proceeded to walk back. The officer went apeshit on me and was shaking with her hand on her gun. She was literally shaking and voice cracking with gun drawn but not pointed at me. I was scared.. LOL.  I remember later speaking with my wife about it and debating if we should contact the Chief as she obviously didn't have the nerves to be an officer.

I know many police officers and deputies and they are where they should be but obviously some people aren't cut out to be officers. It's a stressful job to begin with so if you get rattled easily you need to find something else to do. 

[Tenshot13]

Even if she made a mistake, and even if she was an on duty cop, shooting someone twice cause he didn't listen to your voice commands is unacceptable.  When have we as a society decided that it's ok for police to kill people. It's never ok, what happened to de-escalation and to calling for backup.

Every time a cop shoots someone and it's found that there wasn't a gun pointed at them, they should go to jail for murder. every single time. Last resort should never be the first resort.

What about toy guns, or things that could be mistaken for a gun?

[Pappy13]

Heard on the radio this morning that the man in the photo has explained that the photo is from a birthday party where someone (I believe they said her dad) was turning 69. Apparently he was trying to form the numerals 69 to mark the event.

[Tenshot13]

Heard on the radio this morning that the man in the photo has explained that the photo is from a birthday party where someone (I believe they said her dad, his grandfather I think?) was turning 69. Apparently he was trying to form the numerals 69 to mark the event.

That's way more believable than "white power".

[Tenshot13]

BTW, this might have something to do with why cops are so quick on the draw...easy to throw criticism when you're behind your keyboard all day.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shocking-video-gunman-shoots-lapd-190348496.html

[Pappy13]

So you would agree that if she posted these pictures or “liked them on Facebook”. Then it is very strong indicator she is racist.

I would agree that if he was making a racist gesture and she was aware of that and approved of the picture then yes that would be a strong indicator of being a racist. Since it now appears that he was not making a racist gesture it means that just about anyone can be made to look like a racist if that's your intent and people should know better then to jump to conclusions. Note that this doesn't mean she's NOT a racist either. It means that we should wait for all the details to come out before judging her. In my opinion I find her story at this point plausible and tragic. I reserve the right to change my mind as more of the facts come out.

[Tenshot13]

^I think that's all anyone is asking right now.  It may seem like me and some others are defending this lady, we aren't.  Things are looking like she'll be in jail for the rest of her life.  But to throw all this other unclaimed, far left accusatory garbage is getting really old.

[Spider-Dan]

The nice thing about the Internet is that certain types of factual claims get verified pretty quickly.  So we'll see whether this guy's explanation holds up, or whether he is as clumsy of a liar as his sister-in-law.

On the subject of clumsy lies:

There is a degree to which a journalist must sometimes rely on accounts from interested, unaccountable parties for their scoops, and so long as this is done with due consideration for the credibility of the source, it is not necessarily a sin. There was nothing wrong, then, with J.D. Miles reporting via Twitter that “the door was unlocked and she thought she was entering her unit when she saw victim in the dark.” Nor should anyone object to a host of NBC 5 reporters relaying an account from a “Dallas police officer” who spoke on condition of anonymity that, on the contrary, Guyger actually “put the key in and struggled with the lock” and then “put down several things she was holding and continued to fight with the key when the resident swung open the door and startled her.” But when it becomes apparent — as it did to The Intercept’s Shaun King — that the two accounts being provided by the same agency are entirely different, it is prudent to stop regarding the law enforcement community as the most reliable source of information on an incident involving a vastly unusual killing by one of their own.

The ranks are already closing.  This is already shaping up as a textbook case of the need for police reform.

[pondwater]

^I think that's all anyone is asking right now.  It may seem like me and some others are defending this lady, we aren't.  Things are looking like she'll be in jail for the rest of her life.  But to throw all this other unclaimed, far left accusatory garbage is getting really old.

I'm not defending shit. I'm also not ready to say she needs to spend her life in jail. If she did make a mistake, it was a very big mistake and someone is dead. That's not to be taken lightly. However, this is real life and mistakes happen regularly, regardless of whether the lynch mob wants to admit it or not. If indeed it was a mistake, then a Manslaughter charge is warranted in my opinion.

Manslaugher/Reckless Conduct - Texas

There is no requirement of premeditation to this crime and no requirement for there to be intent or knowledge on the part of the defendant. The only requirement is that the defendant's conduct was reckless. Manslaughter in Texas is a second degree felony. This charge will typically carry a sentence of between two and twenty years in a state prison and/or a fine of no more than $10,000.

It's also important to note that a felony charge will remove her from law enforcement and her ability to buy or possess  a firearm. If facts come out that she did this intentionally, fine charge her with murder and punish her accordingly. You guys can't even wait until all the facts are out before you're trying to burn people at the stake. But I'm sure that waiting for facts makes me a racist. After all, the OK gesture, 69 gesture, and Ultra White Power gesture are all the same in liberal never never land, LMAO...

[Phishfan]

I have all the facts I need at this point, an unarmed man was shot inside his own apartment by an intruder. This was negligence, not a mistake. She needs to be convicted.

[pondwater]

I have all the facts I need at this point, an unarmed man was shot inside his own apartment by an intruder. This was negligence, not a mistake. She needs to be convicted.

Thanks, you just made my point, manslaughter/Reckless Conduct would be the correct charge. Unless you want to split hairs about the definitions of negligence vs reckless.

And in that case. Recklessness and negligence, the risk level is the same. But with recklessness, the accused must have been aware of the risk involved with their actions and proceeded anyhow. With negligence, the accused was not aware of the risks but should have known what those risks were. Seems to me that legally, recklessness is worse than negligence.