Can you be a racist while rooting for a player of a different race?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Mike Pence wants to ban homosexuals from getting married, serve in the military,  allow discrimination in hiring and housing.

You say you oppose divorce the same way the vp opposes homosexuality. That mean you support a constitutional amendment bannning divorced people from getting remarried.  You support banning all divorcees from serving in the military and believe that landlord and employers should be able to ban divorcees.

Personally I find homosexuality gross and repugnant.  I feel the same way about chewing tobacco.  But i don’t discriminate against homosexuals or people who chew.  Although i don’t want to watch you do either one.

[pondwater]

Mike Pence wants to ban homosexuals from getting married, serve in the military,  allow discrimination in hiring and housing.

You say you oppose divorce the same way the vp opposes homosexuality. That mean you support a constitutional amendment bannning divorced people from getting remarried.  You support banning all divorcees from serving in the military and believe that landlord and employers should be able to ban divorcees.

Personally I find homosexuality gross and repugnant.  I feel the same way about chewing tobacco.  But i don’t discriminate against homosexuals or people who chew.  Although i don’t want to watch you do either one.

The marriage thing I don't understand. As a heterosexual I'll never be married again, there's no point. And the older I get the more I realize this. What are the actual pros and cons of being married?

As for serving in the military, I think the best thing to to would be to let every enlisted person in the military vote on the issue. As far as housing and employment, discrimination of ANYONE shouldn't be allowed. However, I believe it would be prudent for homosexuals to employ a don't ask, don't tell philosophy.

[BuccaneerBrad]

Tom Jones of the Tampa Bay Times explains it all.   It's definitely possible because being a fanatic makes you crazy when you lose.  That former site member mentioned in another thread is depicted

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/2018/11/28/college-footballs-silly-season-begins/

[Spider-Dan]

So going by your standard. Lyndon B Johnson habitually using the word "N!G@ER" was justified because he signed the Civil Rights Act?

Yes, that makes him significantly better than his contemporaries who also used that word but did not sign legislation that dramatically improved the lives of minorities.  Actions matter more than words.

They're not helping minorities, they're buying votes with handouts.

That's how politics works: you give your constituencies policies they desire, and in exchange, they vote to keep you in office so that you may give them more policies that they desire.  However, "handouts" don't only come in the form of money; they also come in the form of power.

For example: the "handouts" that Republicans promise are tax cuts for the rich, military spending for defense contractors, anti-gay legislation and criminalization of abortion for the religious right, and persecution of minorities/immigrants for the white supremacists.  Republicans buy your vote by promising to implement these policies, and they've been doing it since almost exactly the same moment that LBJ decided to start "buying votes" of black people by passing policies that make their lives better.

By my math you owe LBJ another 146 years worth of votes.

Abe Lincoln bought many decades of votes for Republicans from black Americans with the "handout" of the 13th Amendment.  LBJ bought them back for the Democrats with the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act.  If it takes 146 more years for Republicans to decide that they care about winning black votes, then it seems that LBJ made a smart decision.

[Spider-Dan]

The liberal extremes love throwing around derogatory names. How exactly is disagreeing with homosexuality being homophobic?

I disagree with Christianity (and most organized religions in general).  I think it's primarily used as a vehicle for grift; all of the money that goes into building megachurches could instead be helping the lives of real people (including the taxes that are not levied on it because churches are "non-profit").  And that's before we get into Christianity as a tool of political oppression.

But I don't try to ban Christianity, or insist that we change the laws so we can ban Christianity.  I don't think that we should throw Christians in jail, or prevent them from getting married, or be allowed to refuse them service solely on the basis of their religion.

That's the difference between "disagreeing with homosexuality" and "homophobia."  No one is going to throw around derogatory names if you decide that you don't want to get a same-sex marriage.  It's when you start insisting SSM should be illegal that accusations of "homophobia" appear.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

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As for serving in the military, I think the best thing to to would be to let every enlisted person in the military vote on the issue.

Fucking hilarious. 

Are there any other issues of the military you feel should be taken out of civilian control and/or commissioned officers and decided by a vote of enlisted personnel?

[CF DolFan]

Mike Pence wants to ban homosexuals from getting married, serve in the military,  allow discrimination in hiring and housing.

You say you oppose divorce the same way the vp opposes homosexuality. That mean you support a constitutional amendment bannning divorced people from getting remarried.  You support banning all divorcees from serving in the military and believe that landlord and employers should be able to ban divorcees.

Personally I find homosexuality gross and repugnant.  I feel the same way about chewing tobacco.  But i don’t discriminate against homosexuals or people who chew.  Although i don’t want to watch you do either one.

Seriously? You know that the talking heads at FOX news is slanted but yet you repeat MSNBC and CNN rhetoric as if they are legitimate stances? I know you are smarter than that so it's a choice you've made for whatever reason.

My former step sister is a married gay person. I love her and support both she and her wife. I can't say I agree with it and if I had to vote on the issue I'd vote for them not to be legally married because I disagree with it.  I also hang out with divorced people but do not agree with why many of them divorced. I've been married almost 30 years so I know how bad things can get and then rebound when you go back to putting some effort into it. With that being said there are things I do that I know is wrong but it doesn't mean I'm going to say it's ok. An easy example of this is speeding. I'm not going to vote to make speeding legal just because I do it because I don't think it works for the betterment of society.

The whole notion of being a good Christian is to love everyone but not to compromise your convictions. That's what I see in Pence's actions. We need Jesus because we will never fully be able to do that.

[Sunstroke]

If your religious convictions require you to persecute other humans because they don't live your type of lifestyle...then that religion is not of God.

Not any real God...

[Tenshot13]

I find this question pretty simple.

The answer is yes, I don't see how you can argue otherwise.

[CF DolFan]

If your religious convictions require you to persecute other humans because they don't live your type of lifestyle...then that religion is not of God.

Not any real God...

Not agreeing that a homosexual relationship is acceptable is now persecution?  Haha .... that's quite a stretch. I guess name calling should be a punishable offense in this new era too seeing as how now Christmas songs have been declared offensive. Time to start burning books considering they pretty much offend someone. Fahrenheit 451 here we come!!

[Dave Gray]

I think that a lot of us feel that your definition of "not agreeing with" something is closer to bigotry, because it involves you deciding to deny someone else the right to do what they freely choose.  ...rather than deciding what to do for yourself. 

I would much more understand if you chose not to marry another man, attend a gay wedding, go to gay parties or bars, or whatever personal decision you're making about yourself.  It's where you advocate for the wishes of two consenting people to be illegal behavior that many of the rest of us find that your stance crosses over into persecution or bigotry.

[Spider-Dan]

My former step sister is a married gay person. I love her and support both she and her wife. I can't say I agree with it and if I had to vote on the issue I'd vote for them not to be legally married because I disagree with it.  I also hang out with divorced people but do not agree with why many of them divorced.

If you had to vote on whether people should legally be able to get divorced, would you vote against it?

[Tenshot13]

This seems like it should have it's own topic.

[Sunstroke]

Not agreeing that a homosexual relationship is acceptable is now persecution?  Haha .... that's quite a stretch.

No, but actively suppressing a homosexual's right (by voting) to marriage most certainly is persecution.

But hey, if it makes you feel righteous to deny to others what you already have for yourself, then do whatever you need to do to sleep at night...

[pondwater]

A little off topic. But besides religious reasons why do people (hetero or homo) get married anyhow? A long time ago I thought that I understood, but the older I get the less I understand it.