Can you be a racist while rooting for a player of a different race?

[Dave Gray]

I have never been to a Men's Warehouse. Do they create the suit? If not, it isn't the same thing.

They provide a service to fit and sell you the suit, plus tailor it, so, in a sense -- yes.  It is customized to your specifications.

[Spider-Dan]

So Phishfan, if I understand you correctly:

I walk into a bakery and order a round 3-tier chocolate wedding cake with vanilla frosting and purple trim, no writing.  As I'm paying for it, I mention that my fiance Jonathan will be the one to pick it up.  The baker then tells me that he doesn't approve of same-sex marriage, cancels my order, and returns my money.

Do you believe this outcome is morally acceptable?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Spider you are way off on what that case stands for. 

Merchants can discriminate against products not people.

It is legal to only sell cakes that say "happy birthday"  but not cakes that say "congratulations on coming out" It is not legal to refuse to sell birthday cakes to gay people.

It is legal to only sell Christmas trees but not Menorahs.  It is not legal to refuse to sell trees to Jews.

 

[Spider-Dan]

Hoodie, read the case.  I already linked (and quoted) the ruling from the Colorado Court of Appeals, which says that you MAY NOT discriminate against people.  That ruling was OVERTURNED by SCOTUS.

The baker refused service before any details of the cake were discussed.  Furthermore, during the trial, the baker clarified that it was the very act of baking a cake with knowledge that it would be used in a same-sex wedding that was against his principles.  (This is why he told them they could buy anything off the shelf: those were not baked with immoral intent.)

The content/appearance of the cake didn't even matter; the baker may refuse service specifically and solely because he disagrees with how the product will be used. And that is the position that SCOTUS ruled as constitutionally protected.  At the risk of repeating myself a fourth time: SCOTUS ruled that you may indeed discriminate against people. That's the point!

[Phishfan]

So Phishfan, if I understand you correctly:

I walk into a bakery and order a round 3-tier chocolate wedding cake with vanilla frosting and purple trim, no writing.  As I'm paying for it, I mention that my fiance Jonathan will be the one to pick it up.  The baker then tells me that he doesn't approve of same-sex marriage, cancels my order, and returns my money.

Do you believe this outcome is morally acceptable?

No. You ask him to mount those plastic couples or put a specific message that he disagrees with and he should be allowed to refuse.

[Spider-Dan]

edit: Reading more about the Masterpiece case, the Colorado Court of Appeals ruling was vacated by SCOTUS on the grounds that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission was "hostile" towards Masterpiece Cakeshop's beliefs.  So technically, SCOTUS did not rule on whether companies are legally allowed to discriminate against gays.  It is only the effect of their ruling that... a company is legally allowed to discriminate against gays.

So as to the broader point of the current status of the law in this country, I'll concede that it's not (yet) confirmed that companies may legally discriminate against people.  That was only the outcome of this singular case.