Robert Kraft

[CF DolFan]

Judge has ruled blocking the release. 

They were discussing this with someone out of Boston this morning on the Joe Rose show. I didn't catch who it was but they said the biggest reason that Kraft is trying to block the videos was to keep it out of the hands of the NFL. He said the NFL and what the other owners could encourage Goodell to do is really the only thing that concerns him. He's already embarrassed and no amount of fine is going to hurt him. Keeping him from his team would break his heart.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

^^^^Most of that is speculative but I do agree an NFL suspension would be worse for him than a fine.  Which gives him an incentive to stall. Odds are he is looking at 4 to 8 games, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he agrees to a deal right after the Steelers game, so he can be present for the banner raising then have the NFL dole out punishment and be back with the team before the post season.

[BuccaneerBrad]

They were discussing this with someone out of Boston this morning on the Joe Rose show. I didn't catch who it was but they said the biggest reason that Kraft is trying to block the videos was to keep it out of the hands of the NFL. He said the NFL and what the other owners could encourage Goodell to do is really the only thing that concerns him. He's already embarrassed and no amount of fine is going to hurt him. Keeping him from his team would break his heart.

He should be banned from the league.   If Donald Sterling can get banned for racist remarks, this guy should be banned as well.   

[Fau Teixeira]

He should be banned from the league.   If Donald Sterling can get banned for racist remarks, this guy should be banned as well.   

no .. not the same .. not even close .. it looks like kraft just got some services from a sex worker without ties to human trafficking .. it's illegal .. he should chin up and take his punishment and be done with it

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

This is not in the same class as Sterling.  This isn't even quite as bad as Jim Irsay's driving under the influence which endangered the lives of others.     

[Dolphster]

What is society coming to?   You can't even get a rub and tug without having to take in a questionnaire in triplicate asking the girl if she is there of her own free will, does her employer provide health benefits, etc. etc. 

[pondwater]

This is not in the same class as Sterling.  This isn't even quite as bad as Jim Irsay's driving under the influence which endangered the lives of others.     

no .. not the same .. not even close .. it looks like kraft just got some services from a sex worker without ties to human trafficking .. it's illegal .. he should chin up and take his punishment and be done with it

Not to defend the behavior of either one. What Kraft did was illegal, but what Sterling did wasn't illegal. So to be clear, are both of you are saying that being secretly recorded as a racist asshole should be punished more harshly than actual illegal activity?

[CF DolFan]

Not to defend the behavior of either one. What Kraft did was illegal, but what Sterling did wasn't illegal. So to be clear, are both of you are saying that being secretly recorded as a racist asshole should be punished more harshly than actual illegal activity?

You didn't get the memo? It's now more important to be politically correct than to follow the laws. Being an asshole is much worse than being a criminal.

[Tenshot13]

Not to defend the behavior of either one. What Kraft did was illegal, but what Sterling did wasn't illegal. So to be clear, are both of you are saying that being secretly recorded as a racist asshole should be punished more harshly than actual illegal activity?

You didn't get the memo? It's now more important to be politically correct than to follow the laws. Being an asshole is much worse than being a criminal.

Swish.

[pondwater]

You didn't get the memo? It's now more important to be politically correct than to follow the laws. Being an asshole is much worse than being a criminal.

Swish.

We could add that Jussie Smollett douchebag criminal to the discussion. He would fit right in. The new US of A, where the criminals walk free and the assholes with different opinions or views get punished.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Not to defend the behavior of either one. What Kraft did was illegal, but what Sterling did wasn't illegal. So to be clear, are both of you are saying that being secretly recorded as a racist asshole should be punished more harshly than actual illegal activity?

actually a business owner who bars people from his establishment based on race is violating federal law.  So yes he did violate the law with that comment.  

However, he was forced to sell the business because allowing him to own it would be detrimental to the league. Being a racist asshole is inconsistent with marketing a product in which the majority of consumers are minorities.  His own team was considering boycotting playing.  Due to the revenue sharing model of the NBA allowing the Sterling to continue to own the team would have cost all the owners millions of dollars.  Sterling was forced out for the same reason John Schnatter was forced out of Papa Johns, allowing a racist to be the image of the company is bad business.  The vast majority of Clipper fans wanted the ban.  

Neither Irsay nor Kraft behavior costs the league money.  Yeah, there were a few isolated protests by MADD against Irsay and a few women's groups upset at Kraft, but players aren't protesting nor is the fan base that purchases Patriots branded merchandise or tickets.

[pondwater]

actually a business owner who bars people from his establishment based on race is violating federal law.  So yes he did violate the law with that comment.  

However, he was forced to sell the business because allowing him to own it would be detrimental to the league. Being a racist asshole is inconsistent with marketing a product in which the majority of consumers are minorities.  His own team was considering boycotting playing.  Due to the revenue sharing model of the NBA allowing the Sterling to continue to own the team would have cost all the owners millions of dollars.  Sterling was forced out for the same reason John Schnatter was forced out of Papa Johns, allowing a racist to be the image of the company is bad business.  The vast majority of Clipper fans wanted the ban.  

Neither Irsay nor Kraft behavior costs the league money.  Yeah, there were a few isolated protests by MADD against Irsay and a few women's groups upset at Kraft, but players aren't protesting nor is the fan base that purchases Patriots branded merchandise or tickets.

I had a very long detailed response typed up, but frankly I have better things to do that get sucked down into the liberal politically correct rabbit hole. We'll just disagree👍

[Fau Teixeira]

I had a very long detailed response typed up, but frankly I have better things to do that get sucked down into the liberal politically correct rabbit hole. We'll just disagree👍

it isn't a liberal PC argument at all .. it's a purely capitalist Ayn Rand argument. Sterling was costing his partners in the league money so they kicked him out. Kraft won't .. so he won't get anything other than a slap on the wrist, if that.

[pondwater]

it isn't a liberal PC argument at all .. it's a purely capitalist Ayn Rand argument. Sterling was costing his partners in the league money so they kicked him out. Kraft won't .. so he won't get anything other than a slap on the wrist, if that.

So again, you're position is that being secretly recorded being an asshole is worse than actual illegal activity?

[Fau Teixeira]

So again, you're position is that being secretly recorded being an asshole is worse than actual illegal activity?

I'll spell out my opinions for you.

Morally .. being a racist is worse than paying for a handy in this case
Ethically .. being a racist is worse than paying for a handy in this case.
Legally .. being a racist isn't worse than paying for a handy in this case.
Financially .. being a racist is WAY worse than paying for a handy. And this is what gets your NBA team sold out from under you, not any of the other stuff.