What makes a franchise quarterback?

[CF DolFan]

The difference is, for Brady at least, when he has a bad game, his teams often win anyway.  This is a luxury Marino never had.  

These numbers are since Seattle Super Bowl victory so they may need some updating.

Brady has a winning record in playoff games in which has thrown at least three interceptions (2-1).  

Brady has a winning record in playoff games in which he has thrown at least two interceptions (4-3).

Brady has a winning record in playoff games in which his quarterback rating has been below 80 (7-4).

Brady has a winning record in playoff games when his rating is below 70 (3-2)

Brady has an UNDEFEATED record in playoff games when his rating is below 60 (2-0)

Since then, Brady has had at least three more multi-interception playoff games and won 2 of them

When Marino had a multi-interception game in the playoffs his team was 1-8

When Brady had a multi-interception game in the playoffs, his team was 6-4

This is evidence of my old point that it is not fair to compare quarterbacks by Super Bowls.

Of course, it's also necessary to remember that Marino didn't play in the pass-happy NFL like it is now.

I guess it would be more accurate to say Brady's TEAMS often come up big for him in the playoffs.
 

You take a lot crap for your posts so I feel obligated to point out this is a great post!

[MaineDolFan]

I actually don't disagree about Marino being an a little over-rated.  Which, I know, is something to be burned at the stake for around here. 

Look, the guy is my all-time favorite player.  I loved the guy.  He is the best Miami has had, he put up video game numbers in an era when QB's were physically assaulted (along with wideouts).  But he's also among the all time great choke artists in the history of sports (not just football).  You can't put up those kind of numbers and have the type of failure he had.  I don't want to hear about lack of this or that; some of those teams had decent running attacks and a strong defense.  So, to address the question, was Marino a franchise quarterback?

The (Orange Bowl) at the time was sold out most of the time.  #13 was among the highest selling jerseys in sports.  The franchise, along with the Giants and Dallas, was the most valuable in the league - even without winning, because of it's quarterback.  The fan base was (mostly) happy, the owners were counting their money. 

Meanwhile, the Buffalo Bills went to four straight Super Bowls under Jim Kelly and, at one point in time, needed a loan from the league. 

At the end of the day it's a business. 

I think, sometimes, this goes beyond wins and loses.  Miami, as a franchise, never recovered from the loss of Marino - however still makes money on his ghost. 

[Pappy13]

You take a lot crap for your posts so I feel obligated to point out this is a great post!

Agreed. Thanks for making my point for me. I don't need to add anything. Hoodie is clearly biased and that's fine, he is afterall a Patriot fan and I wouldn't expect anything different. What I don't get is that he can't see that he's a Patriot fan and clearly will have a different opinion then Dolphin fans. A few years from now when Brady is retired and Mahomes is tearing up the league and being called the GOAT, he'll probably have a different opinion on that as well.

[Pappy13]

Marino’s career passing rate is 86.4.  There is only one game where he played above his own average and the Dolphins lost anyway.  There is also only one game he played poorly and the team won despite of him. Like with Peyton, Dan was a better regular season QB than post season QB.  Montana and Brady on the other hand have less regular season records but often come up big in the post-season.  

I do have to point out one flaw in your argument that D4L did not mention. You are taking a subset of Marino's entire post season and selecting ONLY the games where the Dolphins lost and trying to make that a point of emphasis. That's CLEARLY cherry picking the stats in the WORST POSSIBLE WAY. Obviously taking JUST the games that the team lost is NOT going to reflect well on Marino's stats. When you look at his ENTIRE post season career it's a COMPLETELY different story so please stop. Your analytical analysis is CLEARLY faulty. Stop thinking it proves anything about Marino. All it proves is that when your team loses your QB's performance is going to suffer. That's true of ALL QB's.

[dolphins4life]

I doubt we will ever see a quarterback get as many breaks as Brady has during his career.

[dolphins4life]

I thought I would bump this thread with Brady leaving New England, and with Miami's quarterback situation still unresolved

I looked up the other quarterbacks who are usually mentioned with him in the discussion of the GOAT

Brady:       6-4 in multi-interception playoff games
Montana:   4-1 in multi-interception playoff games
Manning:   2-5 in multi-interception playoff games
Bradshaw: 4-5 in multi-interception playoff games

Marino, on the other hand was 1-9 in multi-interception playoff games