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« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2019, 02:32:06 am »

You're jaded.  We didn't throw the season away for one good player.  We threw the season away for NINE picks in the first two rounds in 2020 and 2021 and $117 MILLION in cap space.
Don't forget: MIA also threw away two recent first-round selections in franchise foundational positions, who were graded top 5 and miraculously fell to the Dolphins.  Both of whom were still on rookie contracts.

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We have the least amount of talent in the NFL and aren't the worst team.
MIA has the worst point differential in the league, and it isn't close.  They are 50 points worse than the 1-win Bengals.  So no, I would not agree that MIA is not the worst team in the league.  Yes, there is one team with a worse record, but that team has been much more competitive on a week-to-week basis than the Dolphins.  And compared to the remaining 30 teams, MIA has been the worst by a wide margin.
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« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2019, 07:30:42 am »

Don't forget: MIA also threw away two recent first-round selections in franchise foundational positions, who were graded top 5 and miraculously fell to the Dolphins.  Both of whom were still on rookie contracts.
MIA has the worst point differential in the league, and it isn't close.  They are 50 points worse than the 1-win Bengals.  So no, I would not agree that MIA is not the worst team in the league.  Yes, there is one team with a worse record, but that team has been much more competitive on a week-to-week basis than the Dolphins.  And compared to the remaining 30 teams, MIA has been the worst by a wide margin.
You make that trade for Tunsil every time, we got a ridiculous haul for him.  He hasn't been that great this year either, he has the most penalties in the league at his position.  Minkah was a loss with a lowercase "l" because at least we got back a first rounder for him.  He didn't want to play here, and didn't buy in to the coaching staff, so I wouldn't want him here anyways.  Players in their second year haven't earned enough respect to be asking for trades IMO, so don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

As far as Miami being the worst team:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/12/17/nfl-power-rankings-week-shocking-loss-by-ers-rearranges-top-five/
Ranked 28th

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28308242/week-16-nfl-power-rankings-1-32-poll-plus-two-words-describe-team-offseason
Ranked 31

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/nate-davis/2019/12/17/week-15-nfl-power-rankings-seahawks-ravens/2671799001/
Ranked 29

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-power-rankings-is-the-49-ers-loss-a-cause-for-any-concern-044632172.html
Ranked 29

In fact I can't find a current power ranking where Miami is last. 
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« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2019, 08:53:10 am »


If you are going to continue to quote Armando or Omar, I'm going to lose all respect for you. And I only have a slight more respect for Joe and Channing.
LMAO ... yes .... I'm sure you have way more insight to the team than former Dolphins players and current Dolphins team radio announcers Joe Rose and Channing Crowder. Joe has mentioned several times that the writers have more access to the team than anyone so although their opinions may be skewed at times they do have inside information.

BTW ... every time I hear anyone bash any of the writers for knowing nothing I think of PFT and Mike Florio . It wasn't that long ago that it was "cool" for many fans to bash them as being fake news while now everyone affiliated with the NFL looks to Mike Florio for the latest rumors. hahaha
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« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2019, 02:22:37 pm »

LMAO ... yes .... I'm sure you have way more insight to the team than former Dolphins players and current Dolphins team radio announcers Joe Rose and Channing Crowder. Joe has mentioned several times that the writers have more access to the team than anyone so although their opinions may be skewed at times they do have inside information.

BTW ... every time I hear anyone bash any of the writers for knowing nothing I think of PFT and Mike Florio . It wasn't that long ago that it was "cool" for many fans to bash them as being fake news while now everyone affiliated with the NFL looks to Mike Florio for the latest rumors. hahaha
They have more access to the team meaning they talk to the coaches and players who tell them what they want them to print/say. What they don't want them to print/say they don't tell them. What the writers don't hear from the coaches/players is simply their opinion and isn't really worth much more then my opinion. No one is quoting me on the Dolphins and shouldn't.
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« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2019, 02:33:13 pm »

The difference being "We haven't found our franchise QB yet" and "We've given up on Josh Rosen ever being that guy."

The fact that he isn’t playing the last two weeks of the season tells me they have seen enough of him to make a decision, and that decision is he isn’t the future. 
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« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2019, 02:48:54 pm »

This is an easy question to answer, just by flipping it:  if MIA had the #1 pick, what would it take for CIN to pry it from their hands?

The answer is a LOT.  Like, the amount Mike Ditka traded for Ricky Williams, as in CIN's entire draft this year plus more picks next year.

So no, that is not a viable option.

I don't think it would take that much to move up one spot in the draft.  Look at what the Bears gave to the Niners in 2017 as more of a guideline.
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« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2019, 03:21:30 pm »

I don't think it would take that much to move up one spot in the draft.  Look at what the Bears gave to the Niners in 2017 as more of a guideline.

For this pick, it would require a lot because we both want the same player. We both need a franchise QB and while Tua is a great consolation prize, you have to see how healthy he is. If we moved up from 11th to 10th to select a Tight End that the Bengals didn't want, it would cost a 2nd rounder or less. To steal away their franchise QB? Minimum 1st and 2nd Rounder if not both of our extra firsts. We shouldn't make that deal.
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« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2019, 03:28:06 pm »

I'm not so convinced that the Dolphins HAVE to take a QB. Why not just see what Rozen can do with a solid team that they can build around him with this draft.
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« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2019, 10:51:34 pm »

I'm not so convinced that the Dolphins HAVE to take a QB. Why not just see what Rozen can do with a solid team that they can build around him with this draft.

Because we won't have a chance to draft a QB this high for probably a long time. We would have to take our chances on a QB not at the top of his class or hope a 4th round project pans out. Not impossible but our best chance to get a franchise QB is right now.....unless we beat the Bengals then we're fucked.
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« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2019, 08:21:50 am »

I'm not so convinced that the Dolphins HAVE to take a QB. Why not just see what Rozen can do with a solid team that they can build around him with this draft.
It's not like Rosen lost his laser rocket arm.  His issue is he reads defenses waaay too slow.  If he can improve on that by sitting, which is possible, I don't see why we shouldn't try building a solid team around him and trying him out next year.  I don't really care what direction they go in, I trust the process, as long as they don't take Herbert with that first 1st round draft pick.
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« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2019, 09:39:11 am »

The fact that he isn’t playing the last two weeks of the season tells me they have seen enough of him to make a decision, and that decision is he isn’t the future.  
The fact that he isn't playing the last two weeks of the season tells me that Ryan Fitzpatrick is a better QB then Josh Rosen right now. Not really earth shattering news there especially with Fitzpatrick playing at a higher level then Tom Brady is currently. At the moment Miami's franchise QB is Ryan Fitzpatrick and there's no reason to think that Fitzpatrick won't be starting for Miami next year regardless of whom is chosen in the draft.

https://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/ebke37/yungmayo_ryan_fitzpatrick_vs_tom_brady_in_their/

https://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/ec4wsg/ryan_fitzpatrick_is_rank_10_for_the_espn_qbr/
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« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2019, 11:34:07 am »

It's not like Rosen lost his laser rocket arm.  His issue is he reads defenses waaay too slow.  If he can improve on that by sitting, which is possible, I don't see why we shouldn't try building a solid team around him and trying him out next year.  I don't really care what direction they go in, I trust the process, as long as they don't take Herbert with that first 1st round draft pick.

He should play this week to evaluate his development of getting better at reading defenses.  If he hasn’t developed enough to read Zac Taylor defenses, he isn’t going to get it.  Might still make it if BB confuses him the following week, but if he isn’t up to playing the Bengals, its over.
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« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2019, 12:16:39 pm »

He should play this week to evaluate his development of getting better at reading defenses.  If he hasn’t developed enough to read Zac Taylor defenses, he isn’t going to get it.  Might still make it if BB confuses him the following week, but if he isn’t up to playing the Bengals, its over.
Well if you believe the coach he's starting the player that gives his team the best chance to win which he believes is Fitzpatrick. I have no reason to doubt him as he really hasn't swayed from that stance since game 1. He also said that they are evaluating Rosen in practice and don't need him to start to do that. Maybe he feels his own defense is a better test for Rosen then the Bengals defense? Now if you want to read into that you can, the writers in Miami are, but if you believe him then it doesn't mean a thing.
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« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2019, 12:45:57 pm »

Well if you believe the coach he's starting the player that gives his team the best chance to win which he believes is Fitzpatrick. I have no reason to doubt him as he really hasn't swayed from that stance since game 1. He also said that they are evaluating Rosen in practice and don't need him to start to do that. Maybe he feels his own defense is a better test for Rosen then the Bengals defense? Now if you want to read into that you can, the writers in Miami are, but if you believe him then it doesn't mean a thing.

I don’t doubt Fitz gives the team a better chance to win than Rosen.  But if that is true than Rosen is not developing into a franchise QB.  The fact they don’t want to test him under real game situation, tells me he is doing very poorly in practice.  Also if he was showing some improvement but not enough to keep him they would want to put that on film to help his trade value.
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« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2019, 01:40:25 pm »

He has no trade value worth mentioning.
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