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Let's skip past another round of "But what about Antifa/BLM/Occupy Wall Street?" and get to the point: I am 100% certain that, immediately following a rally in which an Antifa supporter drives into a crowd of pedestrians and kills a woman, no candidate on that stage would be talking about how there are "very fine people on both sides."

I thought we already established that was taken out of context by the left and twisted?  In the sentence before that, he'd already condemned the Neo-Nazis, and it wasn't about them when he said that.

Trump-“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group.  But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides.  You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did.  You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

So I won't be forced into the unfortunate position you're in now, trying to argue that Antifa is technically worse than the Third Reich

I didn't say that, you're twisting words again.  First off, Neo-Nazis are a far cry from the Third Reich.  I would argue that Antifa is technically the same as modern day Neo-Nazis, just on opposite ends of the spectrum.  I would argue that Communism has a higher death toll than fascism, or that Mao or Stalin is at least as bad as Hitler.  But to compare Antifa to the Third Reich is just silly and a false equivalence.

all because the morally bankrupt clown in the White House feels compelled to stay Fair and Balanced when talking about his most overtly racist supporters.

That is a lot of assuming and twisting.  He literally said "Neo-Nazis bad" before the both sides thing, where he's talking about the people that weren't Nazis, but didn't want to get rid of the statue.

Which is itself weird, because you guys insist over and over again that you don't look to Trump for moral leadership, yet instead of morally cutting him loose and strictly sticking to policy, you still reflexively defend him on stuff like this that has nothing to do with policy.

Just one more thing, none of you that support the left have condemned communism.  Us right-ies have made it very clear that Neo-Nazis and fascism is terrible and do not in any way support it.   It is prevalent in your party as we speak.  Fascism isn't really a thing with politicians on the right.  You tell me which is more dangerous, some right fringe group that has no political foot hold, just a few crazies, or some left fringe group that has actual politicians that support something that has killed over 100 million people?

[Fau Teixeira]

Just one more thing, none of you that support the left have condemned communism.  Us right-ies have made it very clear that Neo-Nazis and fascism is terrible and do not in any way support it.   It is prevalent in your party as we speak.  Fascism isn't really a thing with politicians on the right.  You tell me which is more dangerous, some right fringe group that has no political foot hold, just a few crazies, or some left fringe group that has actual politicians that support something that has killed over 100 million people?

There's a communist running for president ? I'm not aware of any. I mean .. i guess technically the american communist party has a candidate, but does anyone know who it is or cares about it?

I also haven't seen any communist rallies have you ?

[CF DolFan]

There's a communist running for president ? I'm not aware of any. I mean .. i guess technically the american communist party has a candidate, but does anyone know who it is or cares about it?

I also haven't seen any communist rallies have you ?

Dude seriously? LMAO ... you can call an orange a peach all you want but it's still an orange. Bernie and his distribution is a communist plot where only the politicians can be rich. He even reveres communist leaders.  It's so bad even other Democrats call him a communist. See James Carville as the latest example. hahaha

Anyone else find it funny that Bernie used to speak bad about millionaires and billionaires but since he has become a millionaire off the back of his constituents he's only attacking billionaires now ... hahaha.

[Fau Teixeira]

Dude seriously? LMAO ... you can call an orange a peach all you want but it's still an orange. Bernie and his distribution is a communist plot where only the politicians can be rich. He even reveres communist leaders. 

Anyone else find it funny that Bernie used to speak bad about millionaires and billionaires but since he has become a billionare off the back of his constituents he's only attacking billionaires now ... hahaha.

Bernie isn't a billionaire, and he's not a communist. You can tell both of those facts but a - looking at his tax returns that he's released, and b - listening to what he says about the topic.

He's a democratic socialist. Calling him a communist would be like me calling you a heroin addict for taking some advil for a headache. Literally the exact same comparison.

Trump in practice is just as much of a socialist. Giving money to farmers because your stupid tariffs lost them all their customers is the literal dictionary definition of socialism. Giving subsidies to coal mine owners, or to the oil drillers is also socialism.

So take a step back and figure out if your whole communist plot is based on fact or if it's something percolating around in the right win news reverb dome you heard it in. I don't expect much, and I don't think it's your fault, i think we as a people have been constantly barraged with the notion that socialism for the rich is ok and it's only not ok when it's socialism for the not rich.

[CF DolFan]

Bernie isn't a billionaire, and he's not a communist. You can tell both of those facts but a - looking at his tax returns that he's released, and b - listening to what he says about the topic.

He's a democratic socialist. Calling him a communist would be like me calling you a heroin addict for taking some advil for a headache. Literally the exact same comparison.

Trump in practice is just as much of a socialist. Giving money to farmers because your stupid tariffs lost them all their customers is the literal dictionary definition of socialism. Giving subsidies to coal mine owners, or to the oil drillers is also socialism.

So take a step back and figure out if your whole communist plot is based on fact or if it's something percolating around in the right win news reverb dome you heard it in. I don't expect much, and I don't think it's your fault, i think we as a people have been constantly barraged with the notion that socialism for the rich is ok and it's only not ok when it's socialism for the not rich.

Oops ... I obviously meant millionaire since i said he no longer speaks bad about them since becoming one. The only thing separating him from communism is he says he did not agree with "concentration camps" of the Soviet Union but that was years ago. Once he gains the power he wants that may change as well.

[Spider-Dan]

I thought we already established that was taken out of context by the left and twisted?

Once again: with any decent human in the Oval Office, we would not need to try to parse exactly whom is being referred to as the "very fine people on both sides" during a press conference that was called to discuss a murder.  Because no decent human would feel compelled to shift blame towards the victims.

I didn't say that, you're twisting words again.

You directly stated that the "majority" of Antifa are communists, and that "Communism's death toll dwarfs that of fascism, and should be treated the same, if not worse." If communism is worse than Nazism (and fascism in general), and Antifa is equivalent to the communists, what other conclusion is there besides "Antifa is worse than the actual Nazis"?

First off, Neo-Nazis are a far cry from the Third Reich.

That is, of course, literally true: the Third Reich no longer exists.  But I don't know if "Why are you making such a big deal? These are only neo-Nazis" is the rebuttal you really want to go with.

Just one more thing, none of you that support the left have condemned communism.

It's hard to say because the right's definition of "communism" is, shall we say, flexible. (And just to be clear: I think we can all agree that anyone sporting a swastika definitely supports Nazism, and anyone cool with marching next to people sporting swastikas is at least Nazi-sympathetic.)

When you say "communism," do you mean like the USSR, or Cuba, or Denmark?  I mean, you guys also consider Bernie a communist, right?  Is communist China's President Xi Jinping better or worse than Hitler?

At the end of the day, while you're still here arguing the finer points of Nazis vs. neo-Nazis in service of defending Trump, I'm confident I won't have to do the same for any candidate the Democrats nominate.

[Spider-Dan]

He's a democratic socialist. Calling him a communist would be like me calling you a heroin addict for taking some advil for a headache. Literally the exact same comparison.

Fau, conservatives are sick and tired of the left calling everyone they disagree with Nazis!

But on a completely unrelated note, Bernie is totally a communist, and the communists were actually worse than the Nazis.

Anyway, as I was saying, Trump is just an understandable response to the non-stop unhinged attacks of the left!

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Once again: with any decent human in the Oval Office, we would not need to try to parse exactly whom is being referred to as the "very fine people on both sides" during a press conference that was called to discuss a murder.  Because no decent human would feel compelled to shift blame towards the victims.

How does saying there were fine people on both sides = victim blaming?

You directly stated that the "majority" of Antifa are communists, and that "Communism's death toll dwarfs that of fascism, and should be treated the same, if not worse." If communism is worse than Nazism (and fascism in general), and Antifa is equivalent to the communists, what other conclusion is there besides "Antifa is worse than the actual Nazis"?

This is unimportant to the discussion.  I've clarified my stance on this, not going to play "ring a round the rosy" with you.

That is, of course, literally true: the Third Reich no longer exists.  But I don't know if "Why are you making such a big deal? These are only neo-Nazis" is the rebuttal you really want to go with.

Again, twisting words.  You're a downright liar at this point.  They are a far car from the third-Reich were my exact words.  You're projecting things I didn't even say, and I doubt you're some kind of mind reader.  I portrayed my thoughts on that exactly how I wanted, so once again, not going to play ring around the rosy with you.

It's hard to say because the right's definition of "communism" is, shall we say, flexible. (And just to be clear: I think we can all agree that anyone sporting a swastika definitely supports Nazism, and anyone cool with marching next to people sporting swastikas is at least Nazi-sympathetic.)

You can't just assume that.  ASSUME is all you do.  I'm sure there were people that were sympathizers, but I'm also sure there were people there marching for what they thought were right, as they didn't want a historic statue tore down.  That's a terrible problem with the left, they like to play these identity politics and put everyone in a box.

When you say "communism," do you mean like the USSR, or Cuba, or Denmark?  I mean, you guys also consider Bernie a communist, right?  Is communist China's President Xi Jinping better or worse than Hitler?

Would you like a list, or is this not even important to the discussion at hand?  Spin spin.  Bernie might be a communist, he's way too pro communist IMO and I think he's ultimately dangerous to the country.  He has a track record of of statements supporting terrible communist dictators over the years.

At the end of the day, while you're still here arguing the finer points of Nazis vs. neo-Nazis in service of defending Trump, I'm confident I won't have to do the same for any candidate the Democrats nominate.

You already have to do that with people like Bernie and AOC as far as communism and socialism, which I'm also not a fan of.  Don't act like your party has some sort of moral high ground, they are more misguided than anyone.

[CF DolFan]

Fau, conservatives are sick and tired of the left calling everyone they disagree with Nazis!

But on a completely unrelated note, Bernie is totally a communist, and the communists were actually worse than the Nazis.

Anyway, as I was saying, Trump is just an understandable response to the non-stop unhinged attacks of the left!

I'm curious. When you are this ridiculous on purpose are just saying "I have nothing left to argue" or are you hoping someone will respond with something that you can argue?

[CF DolFan]

OK ... gotta ask this. Bernie says Fidel Castro and communism is "not all bad". Considering thousands of Cubans have died as a result of him compared to the less than a hundred in the US from white supremacists I'm guessing you guys are pretty pissed. I mean Castro is 100 times as bad as those that Trump supposedly said the same thing. How are you handling that disappointment in your leading Democrat?

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OK ... gotta ask this. Bernie says Fidel Castro and communism is "not all bad". Considering thousands of Cubans have died as a result of him compared to the less than a hundred in the US from white supremacists I'm guessing you guys are pretty pissed. I mean Castro is 100 times as bad as those that Trump supposedly said the same thing. How are you handling that disappointment in your leading Democrat?

I'm sure Cuban refuges agree with Bernie 100% that it wasn't all bad. 

[Fau Teixeira]

I'm sure Cuban refuges agree with Bernie 100% that it wasn't all bad. 

i'm sure there were good people on both sides

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I thought we already established that was taken out of context by the left and twisted?  

I have read the entire transcript. 

In context, it was very clear he was trying to shift the blame for the violence towards those "on the left" that wanted to rename the park. 

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I have read the entire transcript. 

In context, it was very clear he was trying to shift the blame for the violence towards those "on the left" that wanted to rename the park. 

You "read" the entire transcript and it was very clear he was trying to shift blame...you didn't hear the entire thing, which is what would be in context, no you read it.  So no, it was not in context, it was not clear, try again.

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