Democrat candidates

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

^^^^ believe it or not, I am totally okay with the fact Powell and Sanders don’t see eye to eye on many issues.  I hope that if Sanders becomes president Powell and others challenge him when they disagree rather than roll over like the republican party has with Trump.

[Spider-Dan]

How does saying there were fine people on both sides = victim blaming?

I was going to cite some direct quotes from the press conference, but then I saw this:

You "read" the entire transcript and it was very clear he was trying to shift blame...you didn't hear the entire thing, which is what would be in context, no you read it.  So no, it was not in context, it was not clear, try again.

If you're going to say that the full written transcript no longer counts as "context," discussing Trump's statement is impossible.  The words mean the same thing when you read them as when you hear them; that's how written language works.  You are basically saying that any written record of his statement doesn't count.  Absurd.

I'm sure there were people that were sympathizers, but I'm also sure there were people there marching for what they thought were right, as they didn't want a historic statue tore down. That's a terrible problem with the left, they like to play these identity politics and put everyone in a box.

If you are cool with marching next to someone waving a swastika flag because you want to protect a Confederate statue, your priorities and values are crystal clear.  But on the subject of playing identity politics and putting people in boxes:

Bernie might be a communist, he's way too pro communist IMO and I think he's ultimately dangerous to the country.  He has a track record of of statements supporting terrible communist dictators over the years.

You already have to do that with people like Bernie and AOC as far as communism and socialism, which I'm also not a fan of.

Let me guess: when you call people communist, you aren't putting people in identity politics boxes because what you're saying is true?

[Spider-Dan]

I'm curious. When you are this ridiculous on purpose are just saying "I have nothing left to argue" or are you hoping someone will respond with something that you can argue?

Every so often, your hypocrisy hits a certain threshold where it's too blatant to ignore.  But let me explain in slightly more detail:

You guys complain all the time about "the left" calling you racists and Nazis.  And I'm not talking about objecting on the merits; i.e. explaining why your position is not racist, or not Nazi rhetoric.  No, I'm talking strictly about whining about being "attacked" (and "identity politics," or "labeling people").  You did it earlier in this thread, when you rationalized support for Trump as somehow justified by all the "attacks" from the left.

Yet you guys attack the left ALL THE TIME and you never see someone like me, Fau, or Hoodie complain!  When you insist that we're Marxists or communists or baby-killers, we don't complain about you attacking us; we explain why you're wrong.  And there is no chance whatsoever that I would say something like, "I wouldn't want my kids to emulate Bernie, but the right always says mean things to us so I HAD to support him."

You guys flip-flop from "Fuck your feelings, snowflakes" to "The left is always unfairly calling us racists!" at breakneck speed.  You're doing it in this very thread: whining about the left calling people Nazis AT THE SAME TIME you're insisting the left are communists and that communists are worse than the Nazis.

Do you guys need a binkie to be able to discuss this stuff without the endless hypocritical whining about how you're being called mean things?  I have no problem discussing the finer points of socialism v. communism, and yet I don't get my underwear in a bunch when you guys REPEATEDLY call the left communists; I just explain why you're wrong.

[Tenshot13]

I was going to cite some direct quotes from the press conference, but then I saw this:

If you're going to say that the full written transcript no longer counts as "context," discussing Trump's statement is impossible.  The words mean the same thing when you read them as when you hear them; that's how written language works.  You are basically saying that any written record of his statement doesn't count.  Absurd.

First off, no one has provided the full written transcript, Hoodie just said he read it.  In fact, Pondwater is the only one to post a statement with context.

--With a smirk, Tenshot said "Spider, you're an idiot."  Now, if that were in a transcript, it would just be me being an asshole, saying you're an idiot.  It doesn't take context that I'm joking, or my tone, smirk, or even what lead up to me saying that.  I bring this up because the left has attacked Trump MANY times for things like this.  What comes to mind is when he said he was "the chosen one".  An obvious joke, but there were A LOT of left media outlets that took that as him being serious, which is absurd.  So now that I have explained how actual audio can alter perception of written record, why don't you bust out those direct quotes.

If you are cool with marching next to someone waving a swastika flag because you want to protect a Confederate statue, your priorities and values are crystal clear.

Did I say I was cool marching next to Nazis?  No, I wouldn't be out there at all.  Please tell me what values are crystal clear.  There you go assuming again.  I'm not even going to argue with the whole confederate=racist thing, that's a whole other can of worms.  All I'll say is I think the people who are truly southerners understand the real meaning, and the racists abuse that and ignorant people from other parts of the country refuse to understand it.

Just to be clear because you support a communist sympathizer, doesn't mean I think you're one.  Misguided, sure.  Not all the people marching against the Neo-Nazis were Antifa, so it's not like I'd say all of those people are horrible because they marched with communists.  If you got rid of the Neo-Nazis and you got rid of Antifa, you'd have GOOD PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES, which is what I think President Trump was saying.

 But on the subject of playing identity politics and putting people in boxes:
Let me guess: when you call people communist, you aren't putting people in identity politics boxes because what you're saying is true?

The people I call communists are communists.  Antifa.  Bernie Sanders is a communist sympathizer, that's not debatable.  The people you call racists is you projecting.  I'm not talking about the Neo-Nazis, they're obvious racists.  Donald Trump is not a clear cut racist like you make him out to be.  That's what I mean by putting someone in a box.

[Dolphster]

I'm pretty much a centrist on a lot of political topics, but I will admit I do like to say "Fuck your feelings, Snowflake" a lot.  But that has a lot less to do with politics than it does with the pussification of the American male.      Carry on, gentlemen. 

[Tenshot13]

I'm pretty much a centrist on a lot of political topics, but I will admit I do like to say "Fuck your feelings, Snowflake" a lot.  But that has a lot less to do with politics than it does with the pussification of the American male.      Carry on, gentlemen. 

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[Fau Teixeira]

Welp .. there goes all the democratic support from the cuban community .. i guess this time around they'll vote republican ...

[Tenshot13]

What are you talking about?

Welp .. there goes all the democratic support from the cuban community .. i guess this time around they'll vote republican ...

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-cuban-american-poll-20190131-story.html

Cuban-Americans remain heavily Republican.



— Cubans who came to the U.S. before 1980 are 72 percent Republican, 11 percent Democratic and 17 percent no party affiliation.

— Cuban-Americans who weren’t born in Cuba are 41 percent Republican, 28 percent Democratic and 29 percent no party affiliation.

[CF DolFan]

Every so often, your hypocrisy hits a certain threshold where it's too blatant to ignore.  But let me explain in slightly more detail:

You guys complain all the time about "the left" calling you racists and Nazis.  And I'm not talking about objecting on the merits; i.e. explaining why your position is not racist, or not Nazi rhetoric.  No, I'm talking strictly about whining about being "attacked" (and "identity politics," or "labeling people").  You did it earlier in this thread, when you rationalized support for Trump as somehow justified by all the "attacks" from the left.

Yet you guys attack the left ALL THE TIME and you never see someone like me, Fau, or Hoodie complain!  When you insist that we're Marxists or communists or baby-killers, we don't complain about you attacking us; we explain why you're wrong.  And there is no chance whatsoever that I would say something like, "I wouldn't want my kids to emulate Bernie, but the right always says mean things to us so I HAD to support him."

You guys flip-flop from "Fuck your feelings, snowflakes" to "The left is always unfairly calling us racists!" at breakneck speed.  You're doing it in this very thread: whining about the left calling people Nazis AT THE SAME TIME you're insisting the left are communists and that communists are worse than the Nazis.

Do you guys need a binkie to be able to discuss this stuff without the endless hypocritical whining about how you're being called mean things?  I have no problem discussing the finer points of socialism v. communism, and yet I don't get my underwear in a bunch when you guys REPEATEDLY call the left communists; I just explain why you're wrong.

I think you are imagining things that aren't true. I've (and most people I know) never whined or complained about being called a racist homophobe and in fact ... have made of fun of the fact they even call black gays as racist homophobes for being republican. The name calling is annoying at times but it represents more about not having an argument than anything else. For it to bother me it would need to be true. Might just as well call me a race car as a racist or homophobe because I'm equally all of them.

Stating a reason for something happening is in no way whining about it. Obama's presidency did more harm against police, military, race relations, politically correctness and even the flag than any president ever. As such you got Trump which the other extreme. He backs conservatives and will hurt your feelings doing so.

BTW ... I'm still waiting for the justification of how it's ok to support communist loving Bernie but not Trump. I will say it's nice that several big mainstream democrat mouth pieces have come out against him. Chris Mathews has gone as far as to say it might be better to have Trump for 4 more years than Bernie for moderate Democrats. hahaha

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I'm pretty much a centrist on a lot of political topics,

No, you are not.

[Dave Gray]

If Bernie were elected and was able to accomplish some of things he's talking about, I would directly benefit...something that has never really been the case for me.

Eliminating student debt would be a game changer for my family.  My wife has crippling student loan debt.  We have been paying it for decades and it just hovers.  There are various forgiveness programs, but with different leadership, they're promised, then cancelled, then changed.  It is directly preventing our family from improving.

Free state college would allow me to divert a lot of my savings into retirement.  I've been diligent about saving for my girls, but it came at the cost of not saving as much as I'd like for myself.  That would make my older years much, much more comfortable.

Medicare for all.  I have insurance.  But in order to take care of myself the way that I should I have to still pay large amount of money for stuff that isn't covered.  I cracked a tooth and had to have a root canal and some other work done.  It's going to cost me over $3000 out of pocket.  I could've just pulled the tooth out, but I don't want to be that guy, sacrificing the right care for money.


These would all directly benefit me greatly.   Even if he can get one of them done, it would be hugely significant.

[CF DolFan]

Dave ... Do you not feel a little guilty that people like me who couldn't afford to go to college and others who chose not to go to college would be forced to pay for you and the others who knowingly borrowed money to go to college? Besides that ... for the rest of your life you will be paying for others to go to college instead of just your debt so in the end you'd be paying more. 

[Dave Gray]

Dave ... Do you not feel a little guilty that people like me who couldn't afford to go to college and others who chose not to go to college would be forced to pay for you and the others who knowingly borrowed money to go to college? Besides that ... for the rest of your life you will be paying for others to go to college instead of just your debt so in the end you'd be paying more. 

No.  Not one bit.

I also don't owe money for college, so it's not even for me.

We bailed out the banks.  We bailed out the motor companies.  Dropping public funds into frozen systems makes sense sometimes.  It's really millennials who have it the worst.

And this is all tied to income inequality and the tax structure anyway.

Having an educated populace helps our country.  College is getting to the point that it's not financially viable, which is bad.  Yeah, we'll save money in the short term by not going, but we'll be dumb and won't be able to innovate or compete globally. 


Also recognize, these systems will also help you.  You aren't going to be paying for other people's college.  The income earners above you will be paying for your kids, then those kids will be qualified to work at those jobs.  It's win-win.

[CF DolFan]

Also recognize, these systems will also help you.  You aren't going to be paying for other people's college.  The income earners above you will be paying for your kids, then those kids will be qualified to work at those jobs.  It's win-win.

I disagree wholeheartedly. Adding more fees to the "have's" only forces them to raise prices on the have "not's." It's a lot like Bernie and the $15 dollar wage for jobs that require no skills. After his tax plan that person would be making less than they are now. Well ... that's if they were one of the lucky ones who got to keep their job. 

I like where Governor DeSantis is going and that's to add trade school training in high school. This gives kids with no money a way to make a living wage when they get out of high school.

[Dave Gray]

I find it absolutely stunning that the Republican party has somehow convinced people like you to vote against their own financial interests.  It's their greatest accomplishment.

These super rich people have somehow convinced you that you're going to pay more to live if they get taxed.  You are absolutely playing into their hands.