Democrat candidates

[Fau Teixeira]

I'm disappointed to see this kind of "both parties are the same" silliness coming from someone who certainly knows better.

Who championed the bankruptcy bill that made credit card debt unable to be discharged? Maybe a certain senator from Delaware? I wonder why he'd do that, maybe because Delaware is a hub for financial service companies and credit card companies? Oh and they gave him a bunch of "donations".
Don't be naive.

Is this how you would describe Social Security, Medicare, or the ACA?

FDR's programs, no. I would not describe FDR as a corporatist. I would absolutely describe Obama as a corporatist, because he was one. Insurance companies wrote the ACA, it's basically mandated that everybody had to pay them.

One party wants to privatize or eliminate those programs, which just so happen to provide crucial support for the poor and middle-class in America.  The other party wants to expand them.  The two parties are not remotely similar.

One party is a cup full of shit, the other is a cup full of piss .. i have a preference between the two. But i'm not happy with either choice.

[Spider-Dan]

The ACA is the single largest downward redistribution of wealth in American history, dwarfing Social Security (which is primarily deferred retirement savings) or any other program FDR created.

It's sad that many on the left do not recognize that significance, and it does not bode well for the electoral prospects of the next Democrat that makes it into the White House.  If you thought the ARRA, ACA, and Dodd-Frank were useless neoliberal corporate handouts, wait until you see what can get passed with Joe Manchin as the veto point in the Senate.

[CF DolFan]

Unusual weekend for Democrats or should I say business as usual? Really strange timing of Buttigieg dropping out on the weekend before Super Tuesday. It's pretty obvious he was either paid off or threatened to drop out. Operation get rid of Bernie is in full effect and the funny part is Bernie will support whomever as they buy him another million dollar house. A win-win for him I guess.

[Fau Teixeira]

Unusual weekend for Democrats or should I say business as usual? Really strange timing of Buttigieg dropping out on the weekend before Super Tuesday. It's pretty obvious he was either paid off or threatened to drop out. Operation get rid of Bernie is in full effect and the funny part is Bernie will support whomever as they buy him another million dollar house. A win-win for him I guess.

Mayor Pete's constituency (his rich donors) told him to drop out. I think If Sanders ends up with any sort of plurality of delegates and the democrats end up nominating Biden, it'll be a guaranteed 4 more years of Trump. A portion of the sanders supporters just won't vote.

[Dave Gray]

If the person who doesn't get the majority of the delegates isn't selected, I think I will change my party affiliation.  That would really REALLY piss me off.

[Tenshot13]

If the person who doesn't get the majority of the delegates isn't selected, I think I will change my party affiliation.  That would really REALLY piss me off.

To what?

[Dave Gray]

To what?

Independent, probably.  Or maybe some fringe party like socialist or something.

I've never REALLY been a Democrat, but their views more closely align with how I view the world.  They are slow to adopt many of the ideas I believe in, but eventually seem to come around.  But if I have the opportunity to choose the candidate that really does believe in some of the things I care about and they choose someone else anyway, in the face of that vote, I can't trust them with my vote any longer.


I would love for their to be a political party that doesn't bow down to military spending.  I think that's the biggest welfare we have going...such a waste of resources that could be tangibly used to help people who need it. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

If the person who doesn't get the majority of the delegates isn't selected, I think I will change my party affiliation.  That would really REALLY piss me off.

If one person gets the majority of delegates they will get the nomination. But if nobody gets a majority it is quite possible the person with a plurality won’t get the nomination. 

[Dave Gray]

What I meant is pretty much if Bernie has more delegates than the #2 person and they pick the #2 person instead, I'm going to be enraged.

I would be OK with that if there were special circumstances, but not here.  This isn't a case where it would be fitting.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

What I meant is pretty much if Bernie has more delegates than the #2 person and they pick the #2 person instead, I'm going to be enraged.

I would be OK with that if there were special circumstances, but not here.  This isn't a case where it would be fitting.

For me it would depend on how close it was.

Hypothetically:  If number one has 47% and number two has 12%, then yeah, I would be pissed.  (But I am still voting against Trump) If number one has 35% and  number two has 33% and number two gets the nomination because #3 and #4’s delegates vote for #2 I would consider that totally fine.

[Dave Gray]

I could understand it if it were really close but it were a momentum thing, maybe.

But really, the purpose of that is to prevent disaster.  It's not really about how close it is.


If Bernie had 47% and the next had 12%, but then news broke that showed that Sanders was caught up in a pedophile ring or something -- then yes, you do that to protect the party.  It's really something like that.  Or if the person had some kind of hugely damaging views that aren't representative of the party.  If you argued that about Bernie -- fine.  But then you're also arguing me out of the party.


It doesn't matter.  If it's a brokered convention and the person without the most delegates winds up the nominee, they will get smoked regardless.  The calls of corruption would be too strong to fend off.

[Phishfan]

I'm not a Democrat so I don't care. My vote is a vote against Trump.

[Spider-Dan]

What I meant is pretty much if Bernie has more delegates than the #2 person and they pick the #2 person instead, I'm going to be enraged.

Does this work both ways?

Less than 4% of the 3,979 total delegates have been awarded so far.  Let's suppose Warren picks up a couple hundred delegates by the end of the primary, and the final totals look like this:

Biden- 1875
Sanders- 1839
Warren- 200
Buttigieg- 50
Klobuchar- 15

Are you saying that if Warren drops out and gives her support to Bernie, causing him to win over Biden even though Biden got more delegates, you will be enraged and change your party affiliation, due to the nomination being stolen from Biden?  Or is it only if your guy loses that that kind of stuff is bad?

[Spider-Dan]

Operation get rid of Bernie is in full effect and the funny part is Bernie will support whomever as they buy him another million dollar house.

The only thing more pathetic and shameless than that would be if Biden said Bernie's wife was ugly, called his father a traitor, and then put Bernie on the phones to stump for Biden 2020.



Please spare us your concern for the inner workings of the Democratic Party.

[Tenshot13]

The only thing more pathetic and shameless than that would be if Biden said Bernie's wife was ugly, called his father a traitor, and then put Bernie on the phones to stump for Biden 2020.



Please spare us your concern for the inner workings of the Democratic Party.

I don't know, getting shadily shafted by your party TWICE when you probably have the best shot at the presidency in your party is pretty pathetic.