Give me Herbert over Tua.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Would that be much different if the Dolphins draft Tua then the Chargers draft Herbert and Tua spends more time on IR than on the field and Herbert becomes a franchise QB? 

No. That would absolutely suck but you can justify your decision to draft Tua over Herbert as he is far more talented with better on field results.

[Tenshot13]

I'm not concerned over the size thing for Tua, 6'1'' isn't that short, not ideal though.  He could gain some more muscle and I'd be happier, he's 218 lbs, I'd like to see him at 225-230.  To be fair, Brees and Wilson are 6' and 5'11'' respectfully and they're the two best in the league.

[Pappy13]

No. That would absolutely suck but you can justify your decision to draft Tua over Herbert as he is far more talented with better on field results.

Tell that to the guys who selected Jeff George. Yeah, I'm sure that the fact that he was predicted to be good is of terrific consolation to them.

[Pappy13]

I'm not concerned over the size thing for Tua, 6'1'' isn't that short, not ideal though.  He could gain some more muscle and I'd be happier, he's 218 lbs, I'd like to see him at 225-230.  To be fair, Brees and Wilson are 6' and 5'11'' respectfully and they're the two best in the league.

Huh? Brees and Wilson are the 2 best in the league? Brees I can maybe see as the best but I think Mahomes would disagree and Wilson is close to the top, but putting them the best in the league is a bit much. I would say they're both in the top 5...which still proves your point that smaller QB's can succeed, but lets not get carried away. And Alabama says Tua is 6'1". Not sure he really is....again not that it will prevent him from being one of the best QB's, but I'd still prefer he was a bit bigger.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Tell that to the guys who selected Jeff George. Yeah, I'm sure that the fact that he was predicted to be good is of terrific consolation to them.

If Miami doesn't get a franchise QB out of this draft, whether we decline to take one or pick the wrong one, then it's going to really suck regardless. I just think the worst case scenario is passing on Tua and then watching him have a Hall of Fame career.

[Tenshot13]

Huh? Brees and Wilson are the 2 best in the league? Brees I can maybe see as the best but I think Mahomes would disagree and Wilson is close to the top, but putting them the best in the league is a bit much. I would say they're both in the top 5...which still proves your point that smaller QB's can succeed, but lets not get carried away. And Alabama says Tua is 6'1". Not sure he really is....again not that it will prevent him from being one of the best QB's, but I'd still prefer he was a bit bigger.

SMH, the argumentative semantics around here kill me, it's like a lot of you just do it to argue.  Even saying Wilson is one of the top two QBs in the league vs top 5 isn't getting "carried away", as he had more yards, more TDs, higher completion percentage and the same amount of INTs as Mahomes this year, but that wasn't the point, it was about smaller QBs succeeding which you mentioned.

Yes, I perfer my QBs bigger too, but for every Big Ben, there is a Ryan Mallet.  I'll go with the guy that looked like an NFL QB in college and has better numbers throughout his career over the guy that looks like a proto QB, but can't read past his 1st and 2nd receiver.

[pondwater]

Brees and Wilson are 6' and 5'11'' respectfully and they're the two best in the league.

NOPE !!!

[Tenshot13]

If y'all want to open a thread on who's the best in the league, be my guest, but that is not the point of my comment.  This is why I go to reddit more and more and this place less and less.  You guys find the smallest thing and harp on it over and over, it's old.  Rename this place Grumpy Old Men.

[Spider-Dan]

Tell that to the guys who selected Jeff George. Yeah, I'm sure that the fact that he was predicted to be good is of terrific consolation to them.

When it comes to busts, I would rather draft a Jeff George (with expectations to be good) than reach for a Brandon Weeden or Christian Ponder and get the kind of results that everyone said you would in the first place.

I know hindsight is great and all, but if you are a GM with the #2 pick in 1998 or 2012, you can survive picking Leaf or RG3 if they are busts, but you definitely cannot survive passing on them if they are successful.

[CF DolFan]

When it comes to busts, I would rather draft a Jeff George (with expectations to be good) than reach for a Brandon Weeden or Christian Ponder and get the kind of results that everyone said you would in the first place.

I'm with you. Seems like we have a long history of reaching and failing rather than taking the expected and it not working out.

BTW ...Tua is 6' and not the college reported 6'1"

[Tenshot13]

I'm with you. Seems like we have a long history of reaching and failing rather than taking the expected and it not working out.

BTW ...Tua is 6' and not the college reported 6'1"

Okay, it's just barely over 6'.  He also weighed in at 230lbs, more than I thought.  Herbert is only seven pounds heavier and six inches taller, kind of a string bean.

[Phishfan]

I don't understand why none of the Tua supporters consider drafting a guy who can't walk a significant reach?

[EDGECRUSHER]

I don't understand why none of the Tua supporters consider drafting a guy who can't walk a significant reach?

Because he can't walk NOW, the presumption from doctors recently is that he will return to 100% health and the injury won't hinder him in the future. Our doctors will due lots of due diligence as well. It's still definitely a risk, but without the injury he is taken #2 in the draft and deservedly so. When can we draft a QB like this again without getting lucky with the 17th overall pick or finding a hidden gem in the 4th round? It's worth the risk.

[Spider-Dan]

I don't understand why none of the Tua supporters consider drafting a guy who can't walk a significant reach?

I wouldn't say being More Likely To Walk In 2020 makes Herbert a better pick.  

In all seriousness, I believe Herbert is another Mitch Trubisky, Sam Darnold, or Daniel Jones: the "We gotta get somebody at QB" candidate.  He's not a long-awaited draftee like Luck, Tua, or Lawrence; he didn't have an amazing breakout year like Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, or RG3; he's not even the QB of a championship team like Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, or Deshaun Watson.  He's just A Guy That's In The Draft This Year.

edit: The irony here is that if MIA had tanked correctly and actually had the #2 pick this year, I would not be in favor of drafting an injured Tua; I'd be saying to draft Chase Young.  An injured Tua is no longer a good value at #2 with an edge-rusher like Young still available, but at #5 with the other elite talent likely off the board, Tua becomes a great pick.

[Spider-Dan]

When can we draft a QB like this again without getting lucky with the 17th overall pick or finding a hidden gem in the 4th round? It's worth the risk.

Exactly.  And picking Tua at 5 does not prevent MIA from also drafting the next Tom Brady in the 6th round.