COVID-19

[Pappy13]

# of hours is kinda irrelevant.  If you sit next to the same people everyday those are the people who can infect you.  If you take two flights per week it doesn’t matter if the flight is 30 mins or 13 hours you are at risk from the other passengers.  

But I am not defending the airline, just saying the optics of saying it is unsafe for you to sit in a cube 10 feet from a coworker undercuts the message flying is safe.  So they have a consistent message, “If you are sick stay home and don’t spread the disease, if you are not sick come to work and fly”

But the people I sit next to are not the only ones in the department. There's foot traffic constantly past my desk. I could have about 50 to 100 different people walk by my desk in a week's time and not just once but perhaps dozens if not hundreds of times. How many people sit next to you on a flight? Maybe 1 or 2? Sure they walk past you too, but once or twice, not hundreds of times which increases your chances of exposure. Now granted the airport hub is big difference and yes I would avoid that area right now, but SWA has no control over that area.

And your talking like this is somehow a SWA policy change. The CDC is recommending this, it's not SWA saying that we should be safe. Oh and you don't I guess see any conflict with SWA putting out messages to the public that we are complying with ALL CDC recommendations...unless it's our own employees....fuck them! Yeah I'm sure that's real assuring to our customers. I'm done. Your being totally ridiculous. I'm not going to change your mind and I won't argue with someone who's not willing to talk sensibly about a subject.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

But the people I sit next to are not the only ones in the department. There's foot traffic constantly past my desk. I could have about 50 to 100 people walk by my desk in a week's time. How many people sit next to you on a flight? Maybe 1 or 2? Now granted the airport hub is big difference and yes I would avoid that area right now, but SWA has no control over that area.

And your talking like this is somehow a SWA policy change. The CDC is recommending this, it's not SWA saying that we should be safe. Oh and you don't I guess see any conflict with SWA putting out messages to the publie that we are complying with ALL CDC recommendations...unless it's our own employees....fuck them! Yeah I'm sure that's real assuring to our customers. I'm done. Your being totally ridiculous. I'm not going to change your mind and I won't argue with someone who's not willing to talk sensibly about a subject.

I am not disagreeing with you that it would make sense for you to stay home. 

All I am saying is that it would be inconsistent with the message that flying is safe.  There is absolutely no way airplanes less of a risk than going to a broadway show.  There is no way an airport is not worse than eating at a restaurant or going to a St. Patricks Parade.  So they are business as usual.  Because the logical alternative of business as usual isn’t you working at home, it is ceasing operations. 

Flights should have been shut down long before schools, libraries, beaches, restaurants or office buildings because not only does flights congregate people into a small area they move sick people into healthy areas.

It is insane we are closing elementary schools but not air travel.

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[Spider-Dan]

Flights should have been shut down long before schools, libraries, beaches, restaurants or office buildings because not only does flights congregate people into a small area they move sick people into healthy areas.

It is insane we are closing elementary schools but not air travel.

Absolutely not.  That's like saying that we should have shut down the grocery stores first because of how packed they have been.

Airports provide a vital, extremely time-sensitive service: transportation.  In contrast, schools do not; there is absolutely nothing time-sensitive about schools being open.  Hell, the primary function of public education today is as daycare.  Similarly, there are no urgently essential services provided by libraries, beaches, or restaurants.

There is a level of crisis where all mass travel needs to be shut down, but that is far beyond where we are now... and that level of crisis is completely incompatible with the "why are we unnecessarily shutting everything down?" approach you have been repeatedly advocating in this thread.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I am not advocating shutting down all mass transit—- just long distant travel.  Keep the subway and intra-city busses running.  Shut down intra-city busses and trains, airlines, and cruise ships. Discourage long distance car travel. Keep cargo transport.

Once a community has the virus it will spread, regardless if the schools are open or closed.  But no reason to export it to new communities.   Most air travel is completely unnecessary.

 Southwest Air is still advertising vacation travel.  Encouraging me to fly to Miami is a 1000:times worse than making Pappy go to work or someone who lives in Miami spending the day at the beach.

[CF DolFan]

The City of Orlando basically shut down yesterday but our project will still go on. I'm keeping in touch with the city as they "work from home". 

As well ... FDOT is encouraging their contractors to work more hours since traffic has been majorly reduced.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Just spoke to a friend who works at a company doing exactly what Pappy advocates.  Customer facing reps are still dealing directly with the public, support staff and upper management are working from home
 She is pissed, "How the fuck is it too dangerous for someone in IT or HR to interact with a half dozen coworkers, but it is safe for ME to interact with hundreds of people everyday?" 

[Pappy13]

Just spoke to a friend who works at a company doing exactly what Pappy advocates.  Customer facing reps are still dealing directly with the public, support staff and upper management are working from home
 She is pissed, "How the fuck is it too dangerous for someone in IT or HR to interact with a half dozen coworkers, but it is safe for ME to interact with hundreds of people everyday?"  

I'm assuming the answer is that it's impossible for her to do her job from home. Why should IT or HR have to come to work to do their job if they don't have to be at work to perform their job? I'm not really sure what difference it makes for me to sit at my desk at home and perform my job rather then sit at my desk at work and perform my job? I understand that it sucks that she can't do that, but if she doesn't perform her job the company suffers. I'm not hurting the company in any way by performing my job from home.

What she should really be mad at is why isn't her company allowing her to simply stay home and not perform her job or maybe perform only the parts of the job that she can perform from home if there are any? That would be a company that really cares about their employees health, yes? At the very least give her the option to take paid time off or time off without pay. SWA has offered that to all employees. They can take that route if they don't want to come to the office and don't have the option to work from home.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I'm assuming the answer is that it's impossible for her to do her job from home. Why should IT or HR have to come to work to do their job if they don't have to be at work to perform their job? I'm not really sure what difference it makes for me to sit at my desk at home and perform my job rather then sit at my desk at work and perform my job? I understand that it sucks that she can't do that, but if she doesn't perform her job the company suffers. I'm not hurting the company in any way by performing my job from home.

What she should really be mad at is why isn't her company allowing her to simply stay home and not perform her job or maybe perform only the parts of the job that she can perform from home if there are any? That would be a company that really cares about their employees health, yes? At the very least give her the option to take paid time off or time off without pay. SWA has offered that to all employees. They can take that route if they don't want to come to the office and don't have the option to work from home.

Yeah, it is impossible for her to do her job from home.  It is a fairness issue.  Her boss’s boss is home giving direction from her living room via phone.  The boss’s boss’s kids aren’t home alone from school unsupervised like her own kids. 

And the IT person not being there means others need to change printer toner etc.

She isn’t really interested in forcing others to come in as much as not wanting to be there herself.  But if everyone was there it would at least be fair.  I think she is much more bothered by upper management being home than support staff.  Duplicitous for them to say it is safe for to be there but they get to stay home. 

Yes, she can take the 4 days of vacation and 5 sick days she has as time off, but she wants to save them in case she is out with the actual virus.  Otherwise she can take unpaid leave. 

But what really pisses her off is that they could still do 95% of everything by not allowing customers to walk in and do everything over the phone.  But someone who is safe at home is insisting the place remain open.  She thinks if that person had to actually deal with a few hundred people a day, a different decision would be made. 

Apparently an hour ago they (lower level employees) started leaving their work station and going to the bathroom to wash hands after each and every customer greatly slowing down service.  Her direct boss is defending his employees on the grounds of good hygiene but those above him see it as a form of a protest/work slow down. 

[Phishfan]

Does SWA come and wipe down the entire area of my workspace every night with industrial strength cleaners? They do that for all of our a/c. Hoodie you're being totally ridiculous at this point. It's safer at this point to fly in our aircraft then it is for me to be in my office for a week I can guarantee you that. I'd worry more about the airport hub if I were you.

And this helps how with several hours of recirculating air and infectious passengers on board?

[Phishfan]

Hoodie, can you let us know her industry?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Hoodie, can you let us know her industry?

They do a bunch of things and impossible to describe without naming the company.  But the world would not end if she stopped working.  The company does have functions that are somewhat important to maintaining a functional society but no her group.

[Sunstroke]

They do a bunch of things and impossible to describe without naming the company.  But the world would not end if she stopped working.  The company does have functions that are somewhat important to maintaining a functional society but no her group.

Well, I'm pretty sure I've got it figured out.  ...anyone else?

 

[Fau Teixeira]

Well, I'm pretty sure I've got it figured out.  ...anyone else?

 

she obviously works in billing at pornhub

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

she obviously works in billing at pornhub

Porn industry is encouraging social distancing.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/porn-covid-19-coronavirus-industry-shutdown-free-speech-coalition-moratorium-967788/