COVID-19

[CF DolFan]

And in exchange, all the fake tough guys who Aren’t Scared Of The Flu will have to consent in writing that they wish not to be treated (with all the legal force of a Do Not Resuscitate order) if they catch COVID-19.  They can just stay home and take some Tylenol, like the bold and rugged freedom-lovers they are, and if it’s their time then that’s that.   Deal?

That's a vindictive statement and not rationale. no one is saying covid doesn't exist nor that it doesn't suck to have it. What they are saying is that they are willing to take their chances just like most of the country does with the flu. All of us know we can die from the flu but most choose to ignore the flu vaccine.

Physical therapists help people with chronic pain.  Barbers make your hair look nice.

They are both still in your face.


The funniest thing being ignored is most of the way through this Publix employees didn't wear masks and many of the essential businesses like construction and convenience stores didn't either and there were no major outbreaks. A few employees here or there but nothing major.

[Fau Teixeira]

That's a vindictive statement and not rationale. no one is saying covid doesn't exist nor that it doesn't suck to have it. What they are saying is that they are willing to take their chances just like most of the country does with the flu.

The problem with covid is that if you get sick .. you are more likely than not to infect others .. So their "chances" are not just their chances.

[Spider-Dan]

That's a vindictive statement and not rationale.

Why is it vindictive?  It's personal accountability.  If you want to insist on your right to put yourself at risk because you aren't scared, then fine, but you DON'T have the right to put healthcare workers at risk unnecessarily with your reckless choices.  So if you catch COVID-19, you can continue to not be scared in your own home.

They are both still in your face.

The question is not whether physical therapists are as close to their patients as barbers are to their customers.  The question is whether people experiencing chronic pain need immediate service more than people whose hair is longer than they would like.  The answer to that question is "Yes."

I mean, there are at least as many people in a large supermarket as there are in a bowling alley.  Do you also have a tough time understanding why grocery stores remained open while bowling alleys were closed?

The funniest thing being ignored is most of the way through this Publix employees didn't wear masks and many of the essential businesses like construction and convenience stores didn't either and there were no major outbreaks.

Do you support or oppose a legal mandate on masks for essential workers (like grocery store employees)?

Also, I'd hold off on your Mission Accomplished-style declaration that "There were no major outbreaks."  That might turn out to be right up there with "This will be over by Easter" or "The heat will make corona go away."  Unless you'd care to offer a guess on where FL's numbers will be a month from now?

[CF DolFan]

OK ... I have to ask all the people trying to force me to wear a mask ... what now? Do we believe local officials or WHO?

March 31 - (CNN)World Health Organization officials Monday said they still recommend people not wear face masks unless they are sick with Covid-19 or caring for someone who is sick.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world/coronavirus-who-masks-recommendation-trnd/index.html



Today - New York Post - The World Health Organization is recommending healthy people, including those who don’t exhibit COVID-19 symptoms, only wear masks when taking care of someone infected with the contagion, a sharp contrast from the advice given by American public health officials who recommend everyone wear a mask in public.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/28/healthy-people-should-wear-masks-only-if-caring-for-coronavirus-patients-who-says/


Interesting story today here in Seminole County. The Seminole County Tax Collector went down to check and see if he has antibodies but found out he in fact currently has Covid 19. He has no symptoms and they tested him twice to be sure. He is now on 14 day isolation.

[Dolphster]

Spiders opinion doesn’t carry more weight than you because he had the disease.

But Dr. Fauci’s opinion carries significantly more weight than others on the appropriate response to a pandemic because he is an expert. 

I probably chose my words poorly when I said that Spider's opinion carried more weight than me because he had COVID.  I should have said that having had COVID gives him a different perspective to view the situation from than me.   

And I agree with you that Dr. Fauci's opinions carries more weight than "non-experts".   The problem is that there seems to be far from a consensus even amongst medical experts in the field.   In my opinion (emphasis on "opinion"), there are just so many unknowns about COVID that the WHO, CDC, etc. keep moving around somewhat in their guidance.  I do know that I would not want to be the one who has to weigh appropriate reaction in terms of legal rulings and restrictions versus damage to the economy, small businesses, etc.   How many potential deaths are "acceptable" in order to avoid economic collapse?  Beats me.  And I'm glad that I'm not in a position of authority to make such determinations. 

[CF DolFan]

There's not even a consensus to medicines. Hydroxychloroquine has been safely administered forever but since Trump backed it the med has become a political tool. Not too mention what "they" did to the ibuprofen industries by saying it was very dangerous for covid users. Turns out it doesn't affect it. In fact blood pressure meds were supposed to be bad but now they are good. Who can keep up with this crap?



Just came out today ...

More than 120 top scientists criticise a series of FLAWS in study that found Trump-backed hydroxychloroquine drug raised the risk of death to Covid-19 patients and halted global trials
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8368649/Fury-study-halted-global-Covid-19-trials-letter-questions-methods.html

[Tenshot13]

There's not even a consensus to medicines. Hydroxychloroquine has been safely administered forever but since Trump backed it the med has become a political tool. Not too mention what "they" did to the ibuprofen industries by saying it was very dangerous for covid users. Turns out it doesn't affect it. In fact blood pressure meds were supposed to be bad but now they are good. Who can keep up with this crap?



Just came out today ...

More than 120 top scientists criticise a series of FLAWS in study that found Trump-backed hydroxychloroquine drug raised the risk of death to Covid-19 patients and halted global trials
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8368649/Fury-study-halted-global-Covid-19-trials-letter-questions-methods.html

Take this for what it's worth, but there is a doctor on one of the radio programs I listen to in the morning.  He's big on using hydroxychloroquine in conjunction with z-pack and vitamin D.  He explained how it works by coating the protein "spikes" on the outside of the virus.  This article explains what I'm talking about:

They ring the body of the virus like jewels in a crown, hence the name of this microbial family — coronavirus.

Biologically speaking, those spikes are critically important. They are literally the point of contact that our own vulnerable lung cells have with the virus, SARS-CoV-2. Like a key cut for a specific lock, the spike slides neatly into the matching sites of receptors found on cells that line the airways of our lungs. Once secured, this connection allows the entire ball-shaped virus to slip into the cell. Inside, it makes thousands of copies of itself. And the potentially lethal infection has begun.

https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2020/04/covid19-virus-spike-structure.html

So those spikes are coated by the medication, making it difficult if not impossible for the spikes to slide neatly into the matching sites of the receptors found on the cells, thus preventing it form spreading in the body.  What is frustrating is this is sound logic for treatment and time is of the essence, but it was being rejected and made political because people hate Trump.

[CF DolFan]

Take this for what it's worth, but there is a doctor on one of the radio programs I listen to in the morning.  He's big on using hydroxychloroquine in conjunction with z-pack and vitamin D.  He explained how it works by coating the protein "spikes" on the outside of the virus.  This article explains what I'm talking about:

They ring the body of the virus like jewels in a crown, hence the name of this microbial family — coronavirus.

Biologically speaking, those spikes are critically important. They are literally the point of contact that our own vulnerable lung cells have with the virus, SARS-CoV-2. Like a key cut for a specific lock, the spike slides neatly into the matching sites of receptors found on cells that line the airways of our lungs. Once secured, this connection allows the entire ball-shaped virus to slip into the cell. Inside, it makes thousands of copies of itself. And the potentially lethal infection has begun.

https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2020/04/covid19-virus-spike-structure.html

So those spikes are coated by the medication, making it difficult if not impossible for the spikes to slide neatly into the matching sites of the receptors found on the cells, thus preventing it form spreading in the body.  What is frustrating is this is sound logic for treatment and time is of the essence, but it was being rejected and made political because people hate Trump.

“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

―attributed to Mark Twain but who knows.  Many of us pick a side and only hear anything that supports our view.  

[Spider-Dan]

Take this for what it's worth, but there is a doctor on one of the radio programs I listen to in the morning.  He's big on using hydroxychloroquine in conjunction with z-pack and vitamin D.  He explained how it works by coating the protein "spikes" on the outside of the virus.  This article explains what I'm talking about:

The article you linked (from a reputable institution with a history of sound research) has literally nothing to do with hydroxychloroquine.  Just because some random quack claims that it "coats the spikes," that doesn't make it true... nor does that tell you anything about whether it may cause other deadly side effects in COVID patients.

[Tenshot13]

The article you linked (from a reputable institution with a history of sound research) has literally nothing to do with hydroxychloroquine.  Just because some random quack claims that it "coats the spikes," that doesn't make it true... nor does that tell you anything about whether it may cause other deadly side effects in COVID patients.

I used the website to explain what the purpose of the spikes were for.  The "quack* doctor, Dan Diaco, was the team physician for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 2002-2009, among many other accomplishments.  He's also a board certified attorney on top of being a doctor.  But yeah, he's a quack.

[Fau Teixeira]

I used the website to explain what the purpose of the spikes were for.  The "quack* doctor, Dan Diaco, was the team physician for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 2002-2009, among many other accomplishments.  He's also a board certified attorney on top of being a doctor.  But yeah, he's a quack.

wow .. a lawyer .. and a team doctor .. that must make him extra special good at viruses .. yep .. never mind the specialists who do nothing else but study viruses and don't waste time

[Tenshot13]

wow .. a lawyer .. and a team doctor .. that must make him extra special good at viruses .. yep .. never mind the specialists who do nothing else but study viruses and don't waste time

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

wow .. a lawyer .. and a team doctor .. that must make him extra special good at viruses .. yep .. never mind the specialists who do nothing else but study viruses and don't waste time

That is the norm.  The right has no problem considering someone with a PhD in petroleum engineering who is employed by Exxon an expert in climate change.

[Tenshot13]

You two are being dismissive and very basic with your responses.  I don't know why I even bother.

[Spider-Dan]

I used the website to explain what the purpose of the spikes were for.  The "quack* doctor, Dan Diaco, was the team physician for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 2002-2009, among many other accomplishments.  He's also a board certified attorney on top of being a doctor.  But yeah, he's a quack.

Unless he also has a background in molecular biology and/or viral chemistry, a doctor that is advocating treatments based on subjects outside of his expertise is pretty much the textbook definition of a "quack."

On what basis can this doctor claim that hydroxychloroquine "coats the spikes" of SARS-CoV-2?  What part of his training and education qualifies him to make that assessment?  How has he confirmed it?

He's a quack.