WSJ--The Myth of Systemic Police Racism

[CF DolFan]

Regardless of your stance on whether it was excessive force or not....will you at least  agree that any officer who in an official sworn statement claimed the victim fell on his own failing to mention that he was pushed ought be fired and face criminal perjury charges. 

Absolutely they should be held accountable for lying. No excuses. Personally I think it was an accident more than anything. An accident that was caused by someone not following a police officer's order. If I was looking to place liability I'd definitely would place the majority on the victim who was braking the law. Based on the video it doesn't appear they had any intent on harming him to me.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Absolutely they should be held accountable for lying. No excuses. Personally I think it was an accident more than anything. An accident that was caused by someone not following a police officer's order. If I was looking to place liability I'd definitely would place the majority on the victim who was braking the law. Based on the video it doesn't appear they had any intent on harming him to me.

What law was the victim “braking”?  Keep in mind the 1st amendment and the right to peaceful assembly. 

[CF DolFan]

What law was the victim “braking”?  Keep in mind the 1st amendment and the right to peaceful assembly. 

Time and place though. He was not only breaking curfew he came at the officers instead of retreating. I agree he didn't appear to be much of a "threat" but had he not been breaking the law then they wouldn't have accidentally hurt him. 

[CF DolFan]

I'm sure you guys are on the whole extreme left "Defund the Police!" kick. Another great slogan that moderates are working like hell to spin even as I type this. hahaha

[Spider-Dan]

If they didn't intend to hurt him and it was all just an accident, why did they walk past him instead of providing immediate assistance?  Clearly this senior citizen had just sustained a serious injury... one that could easily be life-threatening to a person of his age.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I'm sure you guys are on the whole extreme left "Defund the Police!" kick. Another great slogan that moderates are working like hell to spin even as I type this. hahaha

I do support those proposals.  Which are considerably more detailed than the two word description.  The right is already spinning it as the complete abolishing of the police.  What it  really is is spending less on police and rather than using police for mental health issues, homeless, drug addiction, etc we use resources better equipped for those issues.    We need less police.

[CF DolFan]

I do support those proposals.  Which are considerably more detailed than the two word description.  The right is already spinning it as the complete abolishing of the police.  What it  really is is spending less on police and rather than using police for mental health issues, homeless, drug addiction, etc we use resources better equipped for those issues.    We need less police.

There is no spinning. It's what it means. The Democratic response today was to try and head it off before it gets worse. I think the best thing Joe Biden has said to this point is that he doesn't support defunding them.

Rep Ilhan Omar (D - Minnesota) took the movement even further when she called for the Minneapolis Police Department to be disbanded.

'The Minneapolis Police Department has proven themselves beyond reform. It's time to disband them and reimagine public safety in Minneapolis,' Omar tweeted Friday.  


BlackLivesMatter DC
@DMVBlackLives
This is a performative distraction from real policy changes. Bowser has consistently been on the wrong side of BLMDC history. This is to appease white liberals while ignoring our demands. Black Lives Matter means defund the police.

And even this from CNN

The political problem for Democrats is this: They are now being backed into a corner by activists who are demanding radical change. But it's not at all clear that a majority of the country supports a policy that would defund the police. Democratic leaders need to change the conversation to be about reforming police departments and re-allocating some resources for more community building and less militarization.

[Fau Teixeira]

That's the usual problem for Democrats .. the left wing wants actual change. the corporate wing wants no change .. status quo is good for business.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

As if we needed more evidence that it isn’t a few bad apples, but a system that actively encourages abusing citizens,

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/brevard-county-florida-police-union-misconduct-trnd/index.html

[Spider-Dan]

I say this as a person who is 100% behind abolishing ICE and reinstating INS:

I oppose "Defund the police." Not because it is politically dangerous, but because it is pointless.  It doesn't accomplish anything.

If the problem we are having is violent, racist police departments, and we cut their funding so that they have to lay off (say) 3/4ths of their force... we still have violent, racist police departments.

- Abolish the police? The cure is worse than the disease.  Before police departments, we had feudalism.  I'm not looking forward to Jeff Bezos as an actual warlord.

- Disband (and replace) the police?  Doing better, but different people with the same policies will eventually give the same result.

Structural reform of the police is the only real solution.

[Fau Teixeira]

By the way as a result of the other thread in the other section of the board, I found this opinion that refutes this WSJ opinion, and this author specifically and explicitly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/09/18/theres-overwhelming-evidence-that-the-criminal-justice-system-is-racist-heres-the-proof/

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I say this as a person who is 100% behind abolishing ICE and reinstating INS:

I oppose "Defund the police." Not because it is politically dangerous, but because it is pointless.  It doesn't accomplish anything.

If the problem we are having is violent, racist police departments, and we cut their funding so that they have to lay off (say) 3/4ths of their force... we still have violent, racist police departments.

- Abolish the police? The cure is worse than the disease.  Before police departments, we had feudalism.  I'm not looking forward to Jeff Bezos as an actual warlord.

- Disband (and replace) the police?  Doing better, but different people with the same policies will eventually give the same result.

Structural reform of the police is the only real solution.

i am not in favor if zero police.  But the ultimatum must be laid down --- either reform immediately or we will do it Camdon  NJ style.

[CF DolFan]

i am not in favor if zero police.  But the ultimatum must be laid down --- either reform immediately or we will do it Camdon  NJ style.

Nice to see you give props to Republican Gov. Chris Christie.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Nice to see you give props to Republican Gov. Chris Christie.

He had a positive role in this.  It is unfortunate he didn’t push to implement this system state wide or push this as a national model when he ran for prez.

[Dave Gray]

Nice to see you give props to Republican Gov. Chris Christie.

Sure.  Republicans do good things all the time, man.  This ain't Yankees/Red Sox.

Christie did a lot of good during the hurricanes, if I recall, also.