If available, would you trade for Deshaun Watson?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

The no trade clause gives Hou leverage.  If Mia calls Hou and says, “we understand Watson is unhappy, you interested in a trade?”.   Rather than discussing they should respond, “sorry would love to discuss but he has a no trade clause, so no point in discussing “. If Watson’s agent than goes to Hou about why they didn’t work out a deal they can respond.  “You talked to Mia?  That’s tampering “

[EDGECRUSHER]

The no trade clause gives Hou leverage.  If Mia calls Hou and says, “we understand Watson is unhappy, you interested in a trade?”.   Rather than discussing they should respond, “sorry would love to discuss but he has a no trade clause, so no point in discussing “. If Watson’s agent than goes to Hou about why they didn’t work out a deal they can respond.  “You talked to Mia?  That’s tampering “

This only works if Houston won't trade him at any cost. They would be foolish to not listen to offers......and they are a foolish organization so maybe you're right.

[Spider-Dan]

Hou has the same leverage as Steelers had with Bell.

Bell was not under contract and refused to sign a franchise tag.  The situations are not remotely similar.

HOU would have to cut over $80M in salary just to be able to afford to cut Watson.

The no trade clause gives Hou leverage.  If Mia calls Hou and says, “we understand Watson is unhappy, you interested in a trade?”.   Rather than discussing they should respond, “sorry would love to discuss but he has a no trade clause, so no point in discussing “. If Watson’s agent than goes to Hou about why they didn’t work out a deal they can respond.  “You talked to Mia?  That’s tampering “

You have this exactly backwards.  "No-trade" clauses give the player leverage, not the team... as every contract already has a "no-trade" clause from the team's perspective (any trade requires the team's approval).

Watson's no-trade clause doesn't mean he can't be traded; it means he can't be traded without his approval.  And it would indeed be tampering for any other team to ask Watson directly, which means HOU has to seek his approval themselves.

[masterfins]

To be clear, I am not faulting Tua at all.  He is doing what he is told to do, all with the knowledge that if he has a few bad quarters, he will immediately be benched.  None of the other rookie QBs had this kind of sword looming over their head every game.  In fact, I can't think of any other first-round rookie QB ever that's been benched for performance before his first loss.

Well some first round QB's don't even take the field their rookie season, so by that metric Tua is way ahead.

[Spider-Dan]

I'm not even sure if Tua wouldn't have been better off sitting the entire season this year.  Now he has to spend this season unlearning extremely conservative play due to the terror of making any possible mistake and immediately being benched.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Actually I would reverse this.  Houston is giving up THEIR franchise, hoping Tua becomes something and then, again, HOPING to land something with those picks.

I'm not sure where the delusion is coming from, Watson is elite; next level.  If you're able to get this man for the 18/36 and Tua (hint, Miami won't be able to), you do.

Which is exactly why it's going to take a top pick to land him.

It is going to come down to how much Watson wants to leave and what he is going to do to make that happen. He might prefer Miami above all the other teams, but Houston won't give him away. So, will he agree to go to whoever has the best offer for Houston? Unlikely because it doesn't matter how much you hate someone, no one wants to go to the Jets.

Another problem is that thanks to Bill O'Brien, Houston has no idea what players are worth. Hopkins was given away while they paid a King's ransom for Tunsil. So many variables in this trade but if it does happen, I do think Miami is the destination. No one else can offer what the team and Watson want.

[Fau Teixeira]

Watson is very very good, but I say you don't do this deal.  Build the team through the draft, build it through competition, intelligently acquire free agents. Let poorly run teams blow up their future and cap for an "elite" player. How's that working out for Houston ?

[EDGECRUSHER]

Watson is very very good, but I say you don't do this deal.  Build the team through the draft, build it through competition, intelligently acquire free agents. Let poorly run teams blow up their future and cap for an "elite" player. How's that working out for Houston ?

You get Watson if the price is right. Being able to throw Tua into the package gives us an advantage over other teams. I am fine with keeping Tua and keeping our picks or acquiring more via trade down, but I am all for Watson joining the team if the price is right. We won 10 games with mediocre at best QB play, what can Watson do for us? You have to figure we are now worse than 11-5 next year, probably better with him as the starter.

[fyo]

We won 10 games with mediocre at best QB play, what can Watson do for us? You have to figure we are now worse than 11-5 next year, probably better with him as the starter.

The Dolphins played the Jets twice, plus the Jaguars and Bengals. We lucked into the fourth string 49ers. We beat exactly ONE team that ended the season with a winning record. We even managed to lose to the Broncos.

A team like that (with the odd loss to a bad team and only a single win against a winning team) usually ends up around 8-8.

Nine out of ten years, that Dolphins team doesn't win more than 9 games. Max.

Ridiculous schedule luck does not carry over from season to season, sadly, so the Dolphins will need to improve significantly in order to have a chance at 10 wins again.

[Sunstroke]

I love Tua, and expect that he will continue to improve this coming season. That said, Deshaun Watson is most definitely an elite QB. If the only picks Miami has to give are our 1st and 2nd rounders, plus Tua...I might have to at least consider it. That would allow us to have Penei Sewell protecting Deshaun's blind side...and with all due respect to Laremy Tunsil, he can't carry Sewell's jock.

I'd consider it for sure...just not sure I'd pull the trigger. Where my trigger finger gets a bit hogtied is when I consider the salary of Deshaun vs Tua, and what else we could get with that cap space.

Again...not sure.

[masterfins]

I'm not even sure if Tua wouldn't have been better off sitting the entire season this year.  Now he has to spend this season unlearning extremely conservative play due to the terror of making any possible mistake and immediately being benched.

Did you even watch the games when he was pulled, or are you like D4L commenting on things in the blind?  Tua was on the sidelines cheering Fitz on and staying involved with what was going on.  It is widely apparent that Flores has given Tua his full support going forward.  I really don't get why you are so hung up on the developmental path that Flores has for Tua, Tua doesn't seem to have a problem with it.

[Spider-Dan]

I don't get MIA games here and can only watch highlights.  That being said, I'm shocked you put any stock in a benched player cheering successful plays from his team.  That shows that Tua isn't a dick, but doesn't tell you anything about his development on the field.  What we can see there is that he has played very conservatively, and that he has repeatedly been pulled from still-winnable games when aggressive play is called for.

[EDGECRUSHER]

I don't get MIA games here and can only watch highlights.  That being said, I'm shocked you put any stock in a benched player cheering successful plays from his team.  That shows that Tua isn't a dick, but doesn't tell you anything about his development on the field.  What we can see there is that he has played very conservatively, and that he has repeatedly been pulled from still-winnable games when aggressive play is called for.

Can't really disagree with any of this. In terms of winning now, I get the moves that Flores made but they certainly didn't help in his development.

[CF DolFan]

Pete Brisco was on Joe Rose and said he believes it's all posturing by Watson to gain more control of the team and who they hire. Said no one trades a QB with the talent of DW. It's almost impossible to get another. As well they discussed the dozens of teams that would compete to get him. In fact... Joe said in his home state of California the talking heads are heavily suggesting San Fran swapping Nick Bosa as a starting point. Apparently they are done with Jimmy G.

It doesn't seem like this story is going away anytime soon.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Pete Brisco was on Joe Rose and said he believes it's all posturing by Watson to gain more control of the team and who they hire. Said no one trades a QB with the talent of DW. It's almost impossible to get another. As well they discussed the dozens of teams that would compete to get him. In fact... Joe said in his home state of California the talking heads are heavily suggesting San Fran swapping Nick Bosa as a starting point. Apparently they are done with Jimmy G.

It doesn't seem like this story is going away anytime soon.

It could be posturing but the team is truly in rough shape and will be for at least another 2 years due to no draft picks or cap space. So, he may just want out after experiencing a terrible season which will be repeated in 2021.