If available, would you trade for Deshaun Watson?

[EDGECRUSHER]

I think that under the circumstances, Watson should go for something like 1 known 2021 first and 3 future firsts.  I think MIA would be able to get him with Tua + #3 + #18.

That's probably what it will take, I just like the idea of moving back to 5 or 8 and getting a bunch more picks and then offering half of them to Houston instead. Basically, getting greedy like we did with the Texans draft watch all season.

What a shitshow for Houston. They either keep their QB and go 4-12 again and then 4-12 again and then maybe 6-10 after that or they trade him for below market value.

[CF DolFan]

I don't see many talking heads talking about less than 3 first rounders and a couple of 2s for him.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Sure, but the talking heads say stuff just to get ratings and website traffic. Todd McShay yesterday said Watson is barely an upgrade over Sam Darnold, these aren't serious people.

His true market value is many 1sts and 2nd rounders. His market value with a no trade clause and a dumb franchise on one end of the bargaining table? It really is unknown.

[CF DolFan]

If he is a good as some of you guys think he is then he is worth 3 first rounders and then some.

...  recently, we saw the Seattle Seahawks just last year give up two first-round picks and safety Bradley McDouglas to the New York Jets for safety Jamal Adams and a fourth-round selection.

I'd guess a franchise QB is worth much more than a stud safety.

It won't be that bad of a deal because Houston doesn't have to trade him. They are on the hook for a lot of money this year already.

[EDGECRUSHER]

If he is a good as some of you guys think he is then he is worth 3 first rounders and then some.

...  recently, we saw the Seattle Seahawks just last year give up two first-round picks and safety Bradley McDouglas to the New York Jets for safety Jamal Adams and a fourth-round selection.

I'd guess a franchise QB is worth much more than a stud safety.

Yes, but he has a no trade clause so there is no "free market" in this trade. That changes everything. If all 32 teams were able to make a bid, he would absolutely go for 3 1st and 3 2nd rounders, perhaps more. With a VERY limited market? They aren't going to get what he is worth. Any trading partner will have to have:

1) A winning record
2) Lots of draft and player capital
3) Cap space to absorb the contract

He isn't going to the Jets or any other team picking in the Top 10. He obviously hates ownership right now but not enough to go to a 5 win Detroit, Denver or Carolina team. He is already on a team that sucks, he doesn't want to go to another one. I mean, living in Detroit AND losing? That's the 8th Circle of Hell.

[ArtieChokePhin]

I mean, living in Detroit AND losing? That's the 8th Circle of Hell.

Gotta give Detroit the 9th circle.  It's fucking freezing in that city like it is in the 9th circle.  

Back to the issue at hand.  If Houston wants to get greedy and demand 3 1sts, I'm out.  I don't give up that much capital if I'm Chris Greer.

[masterfins]

HOU has had some of the most pathetic and incompetent management over the last few years, and they appear to only be getting worse.  Watson is 100% justified in wanting to leave.

I don't disagree that Houston has been managed terribly, but you know what?  They did it FOR WATSON.  Gave up a ton of picks for a left tackle to protect Watson.  Then they gave Watson an insane contract worth an avg salary of $39M per year before he has accomplished even getting to the SB.  Actual SB winners Brady & Brees paid $25M, Rodgers paid $33.5M.  Now Mahomes gets $45M but he is a young talent that has actual been in the SB and is worth it.  Houston is in cap hell partly because of Watson.  Now Watson wants to cry about what was done for HIS benefit?  He's WAY overrated, otherwise he would have led his team to more than 4 victories this year.  Miami had fewer playmakers on offense yet they succeeded. It would be absolutely insane to give up a multitude of picks, $30M a year in cap space, and a possible future HOF QB to get a cry baby.

[CF DolFan]

I don't disagree that Houston has been managed terribly, but you know what?  They did it FOR WATSON.  Gave up a ton of picks for a left tackle to protect Watson.  Then they gave Watson an insane contract worth an avg salary of $39M per year before he has accomplished even getting to the SB.  Actual SB winners Brady & Brees paid $25M, Rodgers paid $33.5M.  Now Mahomes gets $45M but he is a young talent that has actual been in the SB and is worth it.  Houston is in cap hell partly because of Watson.  Now Watson wants to cry about what was done for HIS benefit?  He's WAY overrated, otherwise he would have led his team to more than 4 victories this year.  Miami had fewer playmakers on offense yet they succeeded. It would be absolutely insane to give up a multitude of picks, $30M a year in cap space, and a possible future HOF QB to get a cry baby.

You bring up some good points. I mean ... Fitz even won 5 games with back ups and practice squad guys after getting blown out in the first quarter of last season ... haha. Not in reference to Watson per se but I've heard talking heads say many time offensive stat leaders are on bad team because they are always paying catch up.  

[Spider-Dan]

I don't disagree that Houston has been managed terribly, but you know what?  They did it FOR WATSON.

I'm not sure how giving up a top three WR for nothing helps Watson, nor do I see how letting Clowney go for peanuts accomplishes the same.

Gave up a ton of picks for a left tackle to protect Watson.  Then they gave Watson an insane contract worth an avg salary of $39M per year before he has accomplished even getting to the SB.Actual SB winners Brady & Brees paid $25M, Rodgers paid $33.5M.  Now Mahomes gets $45M but he is a young talent that has actual been in the SB and is worth it.

This is a bizarre way to measure value, given the nature of QB contracts and how much they inflate year-to-year even for slightly-above-average players.  Watson was given the second richest QB contract on record when he received it, which is pretty reasonable in context.  If you look at the average-per-year for the top QB contracts each offseason:

2020- Mahomes ($45M), Watson ($39M), K.Cousins ($33M), Tannehill ($29.5M)
2019- R.Wilson ($35M), Big Ben ($34M), Goff ($33.5M), Wentz ($32M)
2018- Rodgers ($33.5M), M.Ryan ($30M), Garoppolo ($27.5M), A.Smith ($23.5M)
2017- Stafford ($27M), Carr ($25M)

...Watson's contract looks pretty reasonable and appropriate.

Furthermore, HOU didn't even get cap relief when they traded away Hopkins!  They took on David Johnson's monster contract in the trade.

He's WAY overrated, otherwise he would have led his team to more than 4 victories this year.

Aaron Rodgers started every game for a 6 win Packers team two years ago.  Do you have a similar opinion of him?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I don't see many talking heads talking about less than 3 first rounders and a couple of 2s for him.

Yeah, but the talking heads always overvalue players compared to what the actual deal becomes.  Talking heads said AZ wouldn’t accept anything less than a 1st rounder for Murray.  When was the last time a team signed another teams franchise tag player?

[CF DolFan]

I don't think he will be traded but if he is it will be to a team not mentioned. Adam Schefter or someone like that said today that he wouldn't reject very many teams.

[Dolphster]

I suppose that just like anything else, the value of something is ultimately defined as  whatever someone is willing to pay. 

[EDGECRUSHER]

I don't think he will be traded but if he is it will be to a team not mentioned. Adam Schefter or someone like that said today that he wouldn't reject very many teams.

If that's the case then we shouldn't make a serious run at him due to the bidding being high. If he just wants out, then maybe the godawful Jets really are a potential destination. I just figured he would value winning over his hatred of management. Hope it is settled relatively quick so we have time to bid our #3 pick to whichever teams need a QB and lost out on Watson and Stafford.

[EDGECRUSHER]

The Texans GM "reiterated their commitment to Deshaun and have no interest in trading the player". Nonsense GM speak, a robot could've delivered it. They are going to trade him, their main concern is now to convince him to expand his list of teams he will go to so they can get a better package in return.

[masterfins]

I'm not sure how giving up a top three WR for nothing helps Watson, nor do I see how letting Clowney go for peanuts accomplishes the same.
This is a bizarre way to measure value, given the nature of QB contracts and how much they inflate year-to-year even for slightly-above-average players.  Watson was given the second richest QB contract on record when he received it, which is pretty reasonable in context.  If you look at the average-per-year for the top QB contracts each offseason:

2020- Mahomes ($45M), Watson ($39M), K.Cousins ($33M), Tannehill ($29.5M)
2019- R.Wilson ($35M), Big Ben ($34M), Goff ($33.5M), Wentz ($32M)
2018- Rodgers ($33.5M), M.Ryan ($30M), Garoppolo ($27.5M), A.Smith ($23.5M)
2017- Stafford ($27M), Carr ($25M)

...Watson's contract looks pretty reasonable and appropriate.

Furthermore, HOU didn't even get cap relief when they traded away Hopkins!  They took on David Johnson's monster contract in the trade.
Aaron Rodgers started every game for a 6 win Packers team two years ago.  Do you have a similar opinion of him?

As usual your counter points are so laughable, and totally unrelated that I won't wast my time with you.