If available, would you trade for Deshaun Watson?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I also have to mention that if what is being reported is true, then DeShaun or his attorney are not bright. Deleting Instagram messages isn't a crime because he hasn't been charged with anything yet, but it looks bad. Contacting women directly about "settling" is also bad unless he gets them to swear under oath that this was all a scam and the lawyer wanted them to lie. Not saying it is, but when you have 20+ women accusing you of things by one attorney, settling with only a handful out of court doesn't solve your problems.

Actually it is a crime.  Destroying evidence after being served with a civil suit that is relevant to the civil suit is a felony most jurisdictions.

[EDGECRUSHER]

The linked video says that the Dolphins have set themselves up to be ready to trade for Watson if/when these accusations are resolved.  They have enough draft capital in 2022/2023 to still be able to make a deal at the end of the summer.

With the specific disclaimer that I'm not excusing Watson for any actions he may have taken, it seems pretty strange that these allegations come out as he's playing hardball with the Texans.  I'm not saying that Cal McNair paid these women to lie, but maybe he was keeping a lot of these women silent and decided to stop doing so?  It reminds me of the scene with the senator from Godfather II.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULcJhIoLte4

It is suspicious timing, can't be disregarded. However, like Watson is innocent until proven guilty, so are the Texans of something like this. Fortunately for us, they are so poorly run if they did do anything like set Watson up, they probably left a huge paper trail.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Actually it is a crime.  Destroying evidence after being served with a civil suit that is relevant to the civil suit is a felony most jurisdictions.

Ahh, then he is a dumb shit. It seemed like a crime but I wasn't sure because no charges were brought up. This leads me to believe he is going against his lawyer's advice or he doesn't even have one. Something almost unfathomable for a man of his stature and wealth.

[EDGECRUSHER]

This thread is hysterical in a darkly comical way. We spent months discussing whether or not we even wanted Watson to how much he would cost in a trade and how much other teams would bid and now we are discussing whether or not he is the country's most notorious sexual predator.

Do you think we were away of this and never made a proper bid for him? Imagine trading the 3, 18, 36 and future 1sts for a guy that goes to jail and never plays a snap?

[Spider-Dan]

At least we don't have to worry about this from Tua!

(knocks on planet-sized block of wood)

[stinkfish]

Man. I never should have bought that white Dolphins Watson jersey. Guess I jumped the gun. I'll consider any and all offers or trades. Hit me up.

[Dolphster]

At least we don't have to worry about this from Tua!

(knocks on planet-sized block of wood)

I dunno.  He is supposedly very religious.  Very religious people scare me when it comes to sexual morality.  Usually the more repressed someone is, the bigger of a freak they are.   

[CF DolFan]

I dunno.  He is supposedly very religious.  Very religious people scare me when it comes to sexual morality.  Usually the more repressed someone is, the bigger of a freak they are.    

That's the problem when you have limited experience on a subject. Most of what you would consider deeply religious rarely ever have any surprising issues and the media only highlights those that do. Hard for some of you to understand this but Tim Tebow isn't the only male virgin to graduate college and not be gay or repressed.

Watson has serious issues for sure if 19 lawsuits have been filed and could get worse if he is found to be covering up. While it's debatable just how serious as just a few short years ago much of this stuff would have been fairly acceptable he definitely isn't going to go unpunished by both the law and the NFL.

[Dolphster]

That's the problem when you have limited experience on a subject. Most of what you would consider deeply religious rarely ever have any surprising issues and the media only highlights those that do. Hard for some of you to understand this but Tim Tebow isn't the only male virgin to graduate college and not be gay or repressed.

Watson has serious issues for sure if 19 lawsuits have been filed and could get worse if he is found to be covering up. While it's debatable just how serious as just a few short years ago much of this stuff would have been fairly acceptable he definitely isn't going to go unpunished by both the law and the NFL.

I was generalizing with my comment.  I know some very fine upstanding Christians.  But I was also a devout believer and church goer for 30 years so it isn't as if I'm not fully aware of the rampant moral hypocrisy among many of the "righteous".   

[Spider-Dan]

That's the problem when you have limited experience on a subject. Most of what you would consider deeply religious rarely ever have any surprising issues and the media only highlights those that do.

Most humans rarely ever have any surprising issues, and the media only highlights those that do.

When you loudly dedicate your life to the idea commonly-held values are morally inferior, and then you are found to have violated that standard yourself, sure, the media is going to have their fun with you.  That's the nature of society itself.

If there's a reason why the deeply religious are harshly criticized for their failings, it is precisely because they standard they advocate (for others) is so aggressively strict.

[Dolphster]

If there's a reason why the deeply religious are harshly criticized for their failings, it is precisely because they standard they advocate (for others) is so aggressively strict.

Amen!  Pun very much intended.

[Dolphster]

While on the topic, I will just leave this right here.  From June 2019.   

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/israel/2019/june/nfl-quarterback-deshaun-watson-has-life-changing-experience-getting-baptized-in-jordan-river

[EDGECRUSHER]

Well, this is certainly interesting.

Attorney Tony Buzbee, who represents the women suing Watson, said Sunday night that Watson was deleting Instagram messages and contacting the women "who formally provided him massages, in an attempt to settle" those cases, ESPN reports. Watson, through his attorney, denied both allegations. "Like a lot of people, Deshaun regularly deletes past Instagram messages," said Rusty Hardin, Watson's lawyer. "That said, he has not deleted any messages since March 15th, the day before the first lawsuit was filed." Buzbee said in a Tuesday Instagram post that he "doesn't feel comfortable going to the Houston Police Department" with information, according to ESPN. Buzbee said he and his clients "will go elsewhere to provide our evidence to investigative authorities."

This makes both sides look guilty now. Deleting messages before lawsuits are filed is a bad look, but he is denying that he contacted women looking to settle. That's not really a matter of opinion issue, either he did or he didn't.

As far as the lawyer goes, not wanting to get the law involved makes his case look completely phony. There is no reason to not get them involved to investigate unless you think they will either find nothing or catch your clients in a lie that kills your lawsuit. I mentioned before that my company was involved in a fraudulent class action lawsuit in the past and once it got to the phase where the ex-employees had to start talking to opposing attorneys, a lot of them backed out. Lying under oath is not something the massage girls would get away with and a high priced attorney would tear them up under examination.

If I had to guess right now, I would say that Watson was looking for massage girls that were basically prostitutes and maybe he swung and missed a few times while he was with them, hoping that by offering them cash in the moment and taking off his towel something would happen but it did not. The Instagram messages probably confirmed something like that, I don't think he was as dumb as Antonio Brown with his text messages. I don't think it was anything illegal, just creepy and bad for his image. Maybe even suspension worthy by the NFL.

The Texans are by far the most entertaining team in the league and deserve their numbers retired by the Dolphins.

[ArtieChokePhin]

And the unthinkable and inevitable has happened.  The Houston police have launched an investigation into these allegations.   

This is going to take time to sort out.  I'm calling it now.  Watson will not be playing in 2021

[EDGECRUSHER]

And the unthinkable and inevitable has happened.  The Houston police have launched an investigation into these allegations.   

This is going to take time to sort out.  I'm calling it now.  Watson will not be playing in 2021

Not a bad prediction if there is some merit to these claims, but I don't know how they can be proven without a confession or video evidence. Seems like Watson's best play if he is guilt is to keep denying everything.

As far as the cops go, let's see how the investigation unfolds. If none of the women want to speak with them, then it is just nonsense and a cash grab.