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[Fau Teixeira]

It's not a lot of money for someone who works a job worthy of getting paid but to a kid who flips burgers, bags groceries, or sells popcorn at a movie theatre that's a lot of money.  If you want to make more then you should work at jobs that pay more than $15 an hour. I've said it before and I'll repeat ... there are tons of work in construction and manufacturing where there is opportunity to grow and succeed if a person wants it. The problem is no one wants to work any longer. They want to do an easy ass job and get paid like the carpenter or electrician's helper. Next they will want to be paid like the carpenter or electrician.

I think you have a warped perspective of things. part time work at $31k a year is at most what .. 20 .. 25K gross and way less than that in net pay.

[CF DolFan]

I think you have a warped perspective of things. part time work at $31k a year is at most what .. 20 .. 25K gross and way less than that in net pay.

I have the warped sense? You want to pay high school kids $15 an hour and give them full benefits. That's not crazy at all! SMH

[Fau Teixeira]

I have the warped sense? You want to pay high school kids $15 an hour and give them full benefits. That's not crazy at all! SMH

At the minimum I want to pay high school kids $15 yes. I'd be more than happy if they ended up making more than that.

I don't know what "benefits" you refer to. I think healthcare isn't a benefit, it's a human right. It should never be tied to work in any way. What does McDonalds know about health care, what right should they have to dictate which cancer treatment someone should receive.

What a warped perspective of right and wrong you have to argue against a living wage and to be on the side of billionaire companies exploiting workers and treating the US taxpayer as a subsidy to their business. For every $7.50 worker that can't make ends meet is someone you pay for food stamps, or medicaid, or section 8 housing assistance. For someone who claims to not be a socialist, you are certainly supporting a welfare state.

[pondwater]

At the minimum I want to pay high school kids $15 yes. I'd be more than happy if they ended up making more than that.

I don't know what "benefits" you refer to. I think healthcare isn't a benefit, it's a human right. It should never be tied to work in any way. What does McDonalds know about health care, what right should they have to dictate which cancer treatment someone should receive.

What a warped perspective of right and wrong you have to argue against a living wage and to be on the side of billionaire companies exploiting workers and treating the US taxpayer as a subsidy to their business. For every $7.50 worker that can't make ends meet is someone you pay for food stamps, or medicaid, or section 8 housing assistance. For someone who claims to not be a socialist, you are certainly supporting a welfare state.

You are correct that healthcare shouldn't be tied to employment.

First, there should be a database that lists the maximum that an insurance company can be charged for any procedure and/or medication. No more in network or out of network.

Second, require that insurance companies have one premium for everyone. Companies can set their own premiums, but they charge everyone the same. If you go to Walmart everyone pays the same for a can of beans, should be the same for insurance.

Third, require all insurance companies to sell nationwide. No more state lines.


But, no. I high school kid shouldn't be making $15 an hour as an entry level part time employee.

[Dave Gray]

Third, require all insurance companies to sell nationwide. No more state lines.

I like this one.

[Spider-Dan]

So how would we resolve the issue of some states having more lenient insurance requirements than others?  Seems like that would result in a race to the bottom, where every insurance company in the country operates out of the least restrictive state.

[Fau Teixeira]

So how would we resolve the issue of some states having more lenient insurance requirements than others?  Seems like that would result in a race to the bottom, where every insurance company in the country operates out of the least restrictive state.

it's why banks are based out of delaware and cruise ships are based out of the bahamas

[Dave Gray]

So how would we resolve the issue of some states having more lenient insurance requirements than others?  Seems like that would result in a race to the bottom, where every insurance company in the country operates out of the least restrictive state.

Federal standards.

[CF DolFan]

Not exactly sure where we went from the land of opportunity to the land where everyone is forced to pay for everyone else but I sure wish I had a time machine to correct it. There is a huge reason Indians and Asians come here and succeed while our born in the US people struggle to collect benefits while playing victim to everything and everyone. It has everything to do with laziness.

I just watched a football coach from Georgia Tech tell his players that lazy people do a little work and think they should be winning while winners work as hard as possible and yet still fear they didn't work hard enough. That's our country in a nutshell. Or as John Maxwell says it ... before you can do what I do you have to "did" what I did. It doesn't just happen.

[Fau Teixeira]

Not exactly sure where we went from the land of opportunity to the land where everyone is forced to pay for everyone else but I sure wish I had a time machine to correct it.

I guess that would be the time before the continental congress allowed for the continental army to be formed and paid. You know, since not everyone that lived in the states wanted independence.

I'm guessing you're also very against fire fighters. Maybe you'd prefer a private mercenary fire fighting force that you need to specifically pay to join. Kinda like a mafia protection racket. Also all roads need to collect tolls from anyone using them if they're from outside the city limits that laid down the asphalt. Cause to let everyone benefit from roads that you paid to build and maintain is surely only something that happens in "the land where everyone is forced to pay for everyone".

I guess we're now in the CFDolFan land of unintended and unthought out consequences. It's a place where someone can just take your home if they have more guns than you do since you probably don't pay for your own private security firm.

You live in a socialist country, you have all your life. Everyone has since people have had government. We have an unwritten and a codified social contract. There is no "good old days" of no socialism. We seem to be doing alright with fire fighters and with roads. And as long as we don't get too capitalistic (like texas) we tend to do ok with the electric grid as well. Don't be delusional about where you live, the reality is better than your fairy tale.

[Sunstroke]

Not exactly sure where we went from the land of opportunity

You do understand that "Land of Opportunity" was just a slogan, right? And a vague one, at best. For some, it meant an opportunity to prosper. For others, it meant the opportunity to be persecuted and, in many case, killed.

I can only believe the thousands of Native Americans that were slaughtered on their own land had a different opinion of your opportunities. Well, at least they did until they died, of course.

[Spider-Dan]

As expected, every Republican in the Senate voted against a $15 minimum wage.  8 Dems joined them.

Dave, you're crazy if you buy the hollow cries of economic populism coming from the right.  For all their BSing about the working class, neither Comrade Hawley nor Comrade Romney voted to raise the minimum wage.

[ArtieChokePhin]

Second, require that insurance companies have one premium for everyone. Companies can set their own premiums, but they charge everyone the same. If you go to Walmart everyone pays the same for a can of beans, should be the same for insurance.

Third, require all insurance companies to sell nationwide. No more state lines.

Allowing your third point will drive the market on premiums for your second point.  And I agree with both.  Why should I be restricted to United Healthcare, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Cigna and Atena just because I live in Florida?   Why can't I buy my health insurance from Buckeye Healthcare in Ohio or Lone Star Healthcare in Texas?

[CF DolFan]

As expected, every Republican in the Senate voted against a $15 minimum wage.  8 Dems joined them.

Dave, you're crazy if you buy the hollow cries of economic populism coming from the right.  For all their BSing about the working class, neither Comrade Hawley nor Comrade Romney voted to raise the minimum wage.

I think when we Republicans think working class we are thinking plumbers, welders, carpenters, truck drivers etc. and they are probably already making more than $15 an hour if they have been doing it any time.  We don't really lump in part time high school jobs like pizza delivery drivers, subway sandwich makers, and McDonalds fry cooks with 40 hour a week jobs that supports families.

[Spider-Dan]

I wouldn't limit my definition of the "working class" to "people who can afford a $50k pickup." Most of the jobs you listed are in heavily unionized trades.