The George Floyd Murder Trial Started

[dolphins4life]

They started Jury Selection.

Things that will be interesting.

- The defense is going to claim that George Floyd would have died anyway even if the police were not involved, as he had drugs in his system.  
- The released Body Camera footage convinced many people that Derek Chauvin was justified in his actions.

- I wonder if the Prosecution will call Chauvin to the stand.  Can they legally do this?  If they could, it will be very interesting to see how Chauvin responds to questions about why he stayed on George Floyd's neck for so long, even after he lost consciousness   .

[ArtieChokePhin]

No the prosecution cannot legally call Chauvin to the stand.  The  defendant in any criminal trial is never required to take the stand.  Once they do, they are subject to any and all lines of questioning although they can always invoke their 5th amendment rights. 

[EDGECRUSHER]

The official coroner's report is pretty clear cut, he had lethal doses of fentanyl in his system along with other drugs. They even found fentanyl and meth pills with Floyd's saliva in the backseat that the state's investigators somehow missed. The report also shows no neck trauma. Really, if this case wasn't so politically charged, the officer wouldn't have even been fired.

I personally think he waited way too long to do anything about Floyd being non-responsive but I don't see any evidence that he is responsible for his death.

[dolphins4life]

The official coroner's report is pretty clear cut, he had lethal doses of fentanyl in his system along with other drugs. They even found fentanyl and meth pills with Floyd's saliva in the backseat that the state's investigators somehow missed. The report also shows no neck trauma. Really, if this case wasn't so politically charged, the officer wouldn't have even been fired.

I personally think he waited way too long to do anything about Floyd being non-responsive but I don't see any evidence that he is responsible for his death.

Both of the first two autopsies concluded that it was a homicide.  There must have been a third one that was done later. 

I normally lean towards law enforcement officers in these cases, but what I can't fathom is, the point of the neck restraint was because he was resisting, but if that was the case why did he stay on even AFTER he became unresponsive?  An unresponsive person poses no threat.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Both of the first two autopsies concluded that it was a homicide.  There must have been a third one that was done later.  

I normally lean towards law enforcement officers in these cases, but what I can't fathom is, the point of the neck restraint was because he was resisting, but if that was the case why did he stay on even AFTER he became unresponsive?  An unresponsive person poses no threat.

I don't know which one you are referring to but the one that the defense produced for the trial is from the state and shows a drug overdose and no neck trauma. Maybe some independent ones were done but the prosecution themselves don't appear to be introducing those. I'm far from a lawyer, unlike 98% of the internet, so it's possible things change or I got something wrong but as of right now I only see the one.



EDIT: The estimated lethal dose for fentanyl is 2mg and Floyd had 11. Now, I don't know if it is a typo or I'm not understanding things but the toxicology shows 2ng, not mg. I don't know if there is a difference so take it for what it is worth.

[Tenshot13]

I don't know which one you are referring to but the one that the defense produced for the trial is from the state and shows a drug overdose and no neck trauma. Maybe some independent ones were done but the prosecution themselves don't appear to be introducing those. I'm far from a lawyer, unlike 98% of the internet, so it's possible things change or I got something wrong but as of right now I only see the one.



EDIT: The estimated lethal dose for fentanyl is 2mg and Floyd had 11. Now, I don't know if it is a typo or I'm not understanding things but the toxicology shows 2ng, not mg. I don't know if there is a difference so take it for what it is worth.

He had 11 ng/ml or Nanograms per milliliter.  

Nanograms per milliliter, abbreviated ng/mL, is the unit of measure most commonly used to express drug testing cut-off levels and quantitative test results in urine and oral fluid.  A nanogram is 10-9 grams.

https://www.labcorp.com/content/q-what-does-ngml-refer

A quick google search shows you there are 1000 milligrams per gram.
So quick math, he had 1100mg of fentanyl in his system.  Correct me if I'm wrong guys.

EDIT:  I could be wrong, I'm seeing conflicting information.  Labcorp says a nanogram is 10-9 grams, but google says there is 1000000000 so I don't know.

[EDGECRUSHER]

^^^^

Isn't it insane in 2021 that we can't even get basic facts from the internet? No wonder half the country hates the other half, no one knows anything.

[dolphins4life]

I don't believe Chauvin's actions were justified, however it will be very hard to convict him of murder with the drug reports.  It's possible that his actions contributed to this, but a conviction requires definite proof.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

a nanogram is 1/1000 of a mg.

if 2mg is fatal and he had .0011 mg or an amount so insignificantly small that the only reason to mention it is to muddy the waters. 

[dolphins4life]

a nanogram is 1/1000 of a mg.

if 2mg is fatal and he had .0011 mg or an amount so insignificantly small that the only reason to mention it is to muddy the waters. 

I think it's actually 0.011

[EDGECRUSHER]

a nanogram is 1/1000 of a mg.

if 2mg is fatal and he had .0011 mg or an amount so insignificantly small that the only reason to mention it is to muddy the waters. 

It was other drugs as well in his system that contributed to his death. The coroner or the person who did the autopsy, maybe the same person I am not sure, said that if he were found dead in his apartment they wouldn't think twice about ruling it an OD. Combined with no physical trauma and in theory it is open and shut.

In theory. This will probably not be that simple.

[Spider-Dan]

- The released Body Camera footage convinced many people that Derek Chauvin was justified in his actions.

offhand, I'd guess about 74 million people

[Dave Gray]

Chauvin definitely wasn't justified in his actions.  That's an indefensible position.  If you're trying to argue that Floyd's death wasn't directly due to asphyxiation, then whatever -- I've leave that to the medical examiner.  But you can't kneel on someone's neck for 9 minutes that's cuffed on the ground....c'mon.

I don't really comment much on these trial threads, because we don't have the evidence in the courtroom and we have a system for all that.  But there's no way you can say that Chauvin's actions were correct.  Once a suspect is subdued, that's gotta be the end of it.

[Fau Teixeira]

Chauvin definitely wasn't justified in his actions.  That's an indefensible position.  If you're trying to argue that Floyd's death wasn't directly due to asphyxiation, then whatever -- I've leave that to the medical examiner.  But you can't kneel on someone's neck for 9 minutes that's cuffed on the ground....c'mon.

I don't really comment much on these trial threads, because we don't have the evidence in the courtroom and we have a system for all that.  But there's no way you can say that Chauvin's actions were correct.  Once a suspect is subdued, that's gotta be the end of it.

I just want to say that if you jump off of the empire state building and are falling to your inevitable death. And someone on the 30th floor fires a gun where the bullet hits you in the head 10 seconds before you go splat, that person is still guilty of murder. It doesn't matter that you were going to die anyways.

[Pappy13]

I just want to say that if you jump off of the empire state building and are falling to your inevitable death. And someone on the 30th floor fires a gun where the bullet hits you in the head 10 seconds before you go splat, that person is still guilty of murder. It doesn't matter that you were going to die anyways.

What if the bullet misses? You can't be guilty of murder if the guy doesn't die from your actions. That's the point that is being discussed.