The George Floyd Murder Trial Started

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

It wouldn't surprise me if he resigned from the force and got a job with another precinct somewhere far away.   I mean, who wants to live in Minneapolis anyway?  Eight month winters are not my idea of a good time.

You just acknowledged that the police force is broken and beyond repair.  It needs to be disbanded and rebuilt with officers that don’t support murderers, just because they wear blue.

[pondwater]

You just acknowledged that the police force is broken and beyond repair.  It needs to be disbanded and rebuilt with officers that don’t support murderers, just because they wear blue.

Jump the gun much? No one has been convicted of murder. What you talking bout Willis?

[Phishfan]

It wouldn't surprise me if he resigned from the force and got a job with another precinct somewhere far away.   I mean, who wants to live in Minneapolis anyway?  Eight month winters are not my idea of a good time.

He isn't a police officer currently. Probably why he felt comfortable doing this.

[pondwater]

He isn't a police officer currently. Probably why he felt comfortable doing this.

Hahaha, it's a fucking circus with clowns and everything 🤡🤡🤡

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Hahaha, it's a fucking circus with clowns and everything 🤡🤡🤡

Anytime someone is literally caught on video murdering someone the trial should be over by lunch of day one.  The fact that this trial isn’t a guaranteed conviction is what makes it a tucking circus.

[Dolphster]

MN's laws are a little different from many other states.  I could see him getting convicted of the Second Degree Unintentional Murder charge and/or the Second Degree Manslaughter charge.   I'm not an expert by any means when it comes to how the pertinent laws in MN work, but I'd be a little surprised if he is found guilty of the Third Degree Murder charge because if I'm correct (and again I may not be because the MN laws are a little weird) that charge would involve some element of intent to kill which was clearly absent in Chauvin's actions.  I do hope that at least one of the charges sticks though because it looked like at least a negligent homicide to me.  Caveat:  I've honestly not dug very deeply into this whole case and I don't know a ton about it and like I said earlier I'm not familiar with the details of MN homicide laws since they are pretty different from a lot of states.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

MN's laws are a little different from many other states.  I could see him getting convicted of the Second Degree Unintentional Murder charge and/or the Second Degree Manslaughter charge.   I'm not an expert by any means when it comes to how the pertinent laws in MN work, but I'd be a little surprised if he is found guilty of the Third Degree Murder charge because if I'm correct (and again I may not be because the MN laws are a little weird) that charge would involve some element of intent to kill which was clearly absent in Chauvin's actions.  I do hope that at least one of the charges sticks though because it looked like at least a negligent homicide to me.  Caveat:  I've honestly not dug very deeply into this whole case and I don't know a ton about it and like I said earlier I'm not familiar with the details of MN homicide laws since they are pretty different from a lot of states.

I just read the relevant statutes.  You have it backwards.  Murder in the second either requires intent to kill OR the commission of another felony (which arguably was committed by kneeling on his neck). Murder in the third doesn’t require intent to kill just depraved heart (which basically means he didn’t give a shit about the victims well being one way or the other) a level of intent he absolutely met.

[EDGECRUSHER]

MN's laws are a little different from many other states.  I could see him getting convicted of the Second Degree Unintentional Murder charge and/or the Second Degree Manslaughter charge.   I'm not an expert by any means when it comes to how the pertinent laws in MN work, but I'd be a little surprised if he is found guilty of the Third Degree Murder charge because if I'm correct (and again I may not be because the MN laws are a little weird) that charge would involve some element of intent to kill which was clearly absent in Chauvin's actions.  I do hope that at least one of the charges sticks though because it looked like at least a negligent homicide to me.  Caveat:  I've honestly not dug very deeply into this whole case and I don't know a ton about it and like I said earlier I'm not familiar with the details of MN homicide laws since they are pretty different from a lot of states.

Other way around. 2nd degree means he wanted him dead in the heat of the moment. 1st degree is waking up that day and planning his murder. 3rd degree is causing his death but not meaning too, whether it be from just a punch he threw or running a stop sign and hitting someone.

2nd degree is nonsense in this case and was only charged for political reasons. 3rd degree can only happen if the autopsy says he caused his death by kneeling. That doesn't seem likely either but a better charge would've been Reckless Endangerment. It could be argued that he did not do anything to help Floyd once he seemed to lose consciousness. If we weren't all members of a Blue or Red Cult these days, we could've found common ground on that but instead everything is ACAB or Blue Lives Matter so we're doomed.

[Spider-Dan]

The autopsy from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner said the cause of Floyd's death was homicide.
But we can't even "find common ground" around that.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Other way around. 2nd degree means he wanted him dead in the heat of the moment. 1st degree is waking up that day and planning his murder. 3rd degree is causing his death but not meaning too, whether it be from just a punch he threw or running a stop sign and hitting someone.

2nd degree is nonsense in this case and was only charged for political reasons. 3rd degree can only happen if the autopsy says he caused his death by kneeling. That doesn't seem likely either but a better charge would've been Reckless Endangerment. It could be argued that he did not do anything to help Floyd once he seemed to lose consciousness. If we weren't all members of a Blue or Red Cult these days, we could've found common ground on that but instead everything is ACAB or Blue Lives Matter so we're doomed.

Not even close. Read the actual statues.  

You merged 2nd degree murder and 2nd degree manslaughter.

And the autopsy report is evidence not depository.  Nor does this particular one state a cause of death.  It is up to the jury, based on all of the evidence, including the autopsy report, the witness testimony and expert testimony regarding the lethality of kneeling on someones neck, to determine if the defendant caused the death of the victim.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

The autopsy from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner said the cause of Floyd's death was homicide.
But we can't even "find common ground" around that.

I just read the report.  No where in the report does it draw a conclusion as to cause of death and the word homicide does not appear anywhere in the report.

[Spider-Dan]

I just read the report.  No where in the report does it draw a conclusion as to cause of death and the word homicide does not appear anywhere in the report.

https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf?referringSource=articleShare

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression
Manner of death: Homicide

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf?referringSource=articleShare

Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression
Manner of death: Homicide

That is NOT the autopsy report.

 This is: https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf

[Spider-Dan]

The document you linked does not specifically identify any cause of death or manner of death at all.
The document I linked is from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office, and lists the cause of death as "cardiopulmonary arrest" and the manner of death as "homicide."

Now, I'm not sure as to whether the point of dispute here is the name of the documents we are linking; I don't think that's a particularly relevant detail.  Whether it's from the "autopsy" or the "autopsy report" or the "post-autopsy press release report," it is clear that the Hennepin County Medical Examiner determined that Floyd's death was a homicide.

If you dispute that the medical examiner determined that his death was a homicide, then we can discuss that... but if you don't dispute that, I'm not super interested in arguing about the name of the document where they said it.

[dolphins4life]

Spider, your own document states, and I quote,  "The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."  Doesn't this mean that it was an overdose?  This is reinforced by evidence that George Floyd was saying he could not breathe before the restraint was applied.  The other document says homicide but does not go into details.   Also, what ARE police trained to do when dealing with somebody the way Floyd was acting, fighting and refusing to cooperate or obey?