The far right and far left

[dolphins4life]

I think this deserves it’s own thread.  

The far left is disturbing.  Some of their claims can only leave a rational person disturbed by them.  For example, they heavily imply that transgender women are not biologically male, even though they are.   They also claim that women are not inferior to men in sports.  When you respond by calling them out on their absurdity, for example by suggesting that if that were the case, would they have a problem making all sports coed, they respond by throwing insults.  We also have far left people who riot for the sake of it, and who believe that cops should not allowed to protect the citizenry.  They promote lies about the pay gap.  

At the far right you have crazy people like Matt Walsh, who implies that women should not be allowed to be police officers and that men and women should not be friends.   You have Steven crowder who pushes the absurd claims of electoral fraud.  You have the capital rioters.  

Which side is worse?  In my view it’s the far left.

I am posting this from my phone, I will supply links at a later time

[ArtieChokePhin]

My issue with the far left is that the truth gets suppressed if and when it hurts their feelings.  And that's why they respond with insults when you call them out on their absurdities.   

[Sunstroke]

Title should be changed to something more accurate..."The Far Right Whines About The Far Left."

Last visit to thread...whine away!

[dolphins4life]

Title should be changed to something more accurate..."The Far Right Whines About The Far Left."

Last visit to thread...whine away!

I am not the Far Right, so that would be inaccurate, as are almost all the other ways you and everybody else on this board describe me.

[CF DolFan]

The far left and far right has always been crazy. I just think the far left has grown so much that they ain't that far any longer. AOC and her  posse went from being laughing stock nut jobs to being a symbol of the party standards.

[Fau Teixeira]

The far left and far right has always been crazy. I just think the far left has grown so much that they ain't that far any longer. AOC and her  posse went from being laughing stock nut jobs to being a symbol of the party standards.

Unfortunately that's not true, AOC has comparatively way less power than Humana or Aetna in democratic politics.  If that wasn't the case, we'd have universal healthcare of one form or another, be it M4A or some other single payer scheme. It's so undeniably beneficial that the only possible opposition comes from those currently benefitting from the system we have now.

[Spider-Dan]

I am posting this from my phone, I will supply links at a later time

I'm extremely interested in seeing these links.  Hopefully they rise above the level of "I found a random person on the Internet who said a thing".

A great example would be a person in a position of power making the kind of crazy claims you're citing.  Maybe something like this list of over 175 Republican current and former elected (and/or appointed) officials "pushing the absurd claims of electoral fraud."

[dolphins4life]

I'm extremely interested in seeing these links.  Hopefully they rise above the level of "I found a random person on the Internet who said a thing".

A great example would be a person in a position of power making the kind of crazy claims you're citing.  Maybe something like this list of over 175 Republican current and former politicians "pushing the absurd claims of electoral fraud."

Check back around eight.  I am still at work.  I have to support the people living the good life off my tax dollars.  Please bear with me.   

[ArtieChokePhin]

I'm extremely interested in seeing these links.  Hopefully they rise above the level of "I found a random person on the Internet who said a thing".

A great example would be a person in a position of power making the kind of crazy claims you're citing.  Maybe something like this list of over 175 Republican current and former elected (and/or appointed) officials "pushing the absurd claims of electoral fraud."

If there's 175 pushing it, then it's anything but absurd.   

[dolphins4life]

Spider, here is link one

https://www.outsports.com/trans/2021/5/25/22451484/trans-athlete-miller-yearwood-mitchell-soule-smith-adf

The author says that calling trans women biological males with male bodies and chromosomes is misgendering and compares it to blacks being called the n word.  This strongly implies that the author thinks trans women have xx chromosomes and female bodies.  This is not true.   Do you think it is true?

The author also implies that males and females are of equal physical abilities.  

Similar thoughts are echoed in this piece

https://jezebel.com/these-girls-just-wanted-to-run-the-right-wanted-a-war-1846280528

[Spider-Dan]

If there's 175 pushing it, then it's anything but absurd.

This is an absolutely perfect quote.  The implication (which I wouldn't necessarily disagree with!) is:

Can you still call them the "far right" if they have completely taken over the Republican Party?
Or are they just normal everyday conservatives now?

However, the correlating implication is that we can only call AOC and the Squad the "far left" because there aren't currently enough of them in the Democratic Party, which... isn't a very flattering interpretation of the argument being offered in this thread.

[dolphins4life]

If there's 175 pushing it, then it's anything but absurd.  

This statement itself is absurd.  The number of people pushing something has nothing to do with its validity

[Spider-Dan]

Spider, here is link one

https://www.outsports.com/trans/2021/5/25/22451484/trans-athlete-miller-yearwood-mitchell-soule-smith-adf

The author says that calling trans women biological males with male bodies and chromosomes is misgendering and compares it to blacks being called the n word.  This strongly implies that the author thinks trans women have xx chromosomes and female bodies.  This is not true.   Do you think it is true?

The author also implies that males and females are of equal physical abilities.  

Similar thoughts are echoed in this piece

https://jezebel.com/these-girls-just-wanted-to-run-the-right-wanted-a-war-1846280528

The two links you provided are the very definition of "A person on the internet said a thing."  The authors of those pieces have zero legislative or executive power.  What's more, the first link is an article written in response to a USA Today article.

So do you think that when conservative viewpoints on transgender athletes are offered up, liberal opponents should not be allowed to respond?  Or what, exactly?  Again, the people writing the articles you linked have no real power in our society.  They are writing opinion columns.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

There isn’t a far left in the USA as judge by international standards.

Biden and Obama is in every other democratic country center-right.

In every other democracy universal health care is mainstream.  Obama’s most aggressive proposal for health care would be considered too conservative in every other county.  Bernie Sanders is a centrist and the norm in every other country on healthcare.

Being a member of the Paris climate accord is accepted by both the left and right in every other country — that is a centrist position.  Democrats are centrist on the environment, republicans are off the map.

Paid maternity leave is not a leftist position, it is the norm in every other country.  The democratic are right of center on this issue.  Republicans are off the map.

Our lack of gun control is considered insane in every other country.  Gun control is not a left- right issue, it is universally accepted by both the left and right.  Even the most ardent gun control proposals by democrats would not align us with the rest of the world.  The democrats are right wing on this issue.  The GOP is off the map.

Free or very affordable college tuition is not left wing, it is the norm in every other democracy. Sanders and AOC are the centrist on this issue.  Anyone opposing them are far right.

Abortion rights is the norm in most democracies, but not theocracies.  The democratic party is centrist on this issue.  The republicans are far right.

There are no leftist in power in the USA.  Sanders and AOC are centrist.  Biden and Clinton are right of center.  Louis Farrakan is as far to the left as Romney is to the right.  The extremists are on the right not the left. 

[Dolphster]

A great example would be a person in a position of power making the kind of crazy claims you're citing.  Maybe something like this list of over 175 Republican current and former elected (and/or appointed) officials "pushing the absurd claims of electoral fraud."

There is no way to know of course, but I would be very interested to find out if those 175 truly believed the election fraud narrative or if they were just pulling the common and disgusting political tactic of pandering/appeasement to what they perceive to be a strong voting block within their constituency.  Although I'm not high enough in the federal food chain to be a member of the "Beltway Boys" in DC, I have worked with enough members of Congress and their staffs to know that politicians from both parties pull this stunt all the time.  It is a close cousin to the feigned indignant fake outrage that members of Congress play on a weekly basis. "I am outraged that the Democrat/Republican members of this Congress are subverting the power of the Democrat/Republican President of this country. This is historically unprecedented in the history of the U.S. (no it isn't, you did the same thing when the other party was in the White House)"     And their constituents eat that shit up because most of them have no idea or understanding of history to realize that it is all a big Congressional charade.  I have seen with my own eyes when Dems/Republicans who throw out quotes all week long about how the other person is going to destroy our democracy and they are probably the spawn of Satan......yet on Saturday morning they are on the golf course together yukking it up like a couple of frat brothers.  Politicians are an elite breed of trolls that make D4L and Hoodie look like a first time amateurs.  Politicians essentially do the same thing for votes and poll numbers what prostitutes do for money.  And if you are lucky, they'll give you the Girlfriend Experience and not make you wear a condom.