'Biden's inflation crisis is here': Inflation jumps to 5%

[ArtieChokePhin]

Short of following them and filming them I don't. If you come up here I can take to to homeless camps both in Orlando and around Lake Mary where people are living like this. Typically one or two cars among 50 r so people. I've seen their tent city and watched them bath in stormwater ponds. We have so much trash from them next to I-4 where they beg it's ridiculous. I swear I've seen more than one time a raggy arsed old Buick drop off one "homeless" couple and then pick up the other. Other people have seen it too so it isn't like it's just my ghost story. A quick google found this page with info on people who choose to be homeless.

Not to mention the fact that you have the transient families where you have a mom, dad (or sometimes a single parent) and five or six kids all living together in one tiny room in a motel where you pay by the month.  Those are one step above being homeless.

[pondwater]

Not to mention the fact that you have the transient families where you have a mom, dad (or sometimes a single parent) and five or six kids all living together in one tiny room in a motel where you pay by the month.  Those are one step above being homeless.

You'll continue to see that problem as long as government policies, handouts, and tax breaks incentivize being a single parent and having more children. I would venture to guess that in most cases that the "mom" in the hotel room has a few different baby daddies. The guy with her was just the next one in line.

[Dave Gray]

^ I fundamentally disagree.

People have multiple kids with multiple parents and no money because of bad decisions, poor education, poverty cycles, ...shit like that.  It's not a decision they made because of government assistance.

[ArtieChokePhin]

^ I fundamentally disagree.

People have multiple kids with multiple parents and no money because of bad decisions, poor education, poverty cycles, ...shit like that.  It's not a decision they made because of government assistance.

But it's a reason why they are on government assistance.  And increasing the amount of government assistance encourages them to stay on it as opposed to going out and looking for work.   

They need to make government assistance uncomfortable, as in barely enough to get by, so that people stay on it for as short a time as possible.  It was meant for people to use for a short time after a bad situation so they could get back on their feet.

[Dave Gray]

But it's a reason why they are on government assistance.  And increasing the amount of government assistance encourages them to stay on it as opposed to going out and looking for work.   

They need to make government assistance uncomfortable, as in barely enough to get by, so that people stay on it for as short a time as possible.  It was meant for people to use for a short time after a bad situation so they could get back on their feet.

I understand where you're coming from, but I just don't think that lines up with reality.

That's what you wish would happen.  That's what I also wish would happen.  But not what actually does happen.  Nobody is on government assistance because of how comfortable it is.

The image you're painting of some cracked out mother with a bunch of kids with different dads who is too lazy to work -- that's just not what we're dealing with.  If you cut off assistance, kids go without food.  It's not like she's all of a sudden going to get her shit together.

And an even harder reality is that to solve that problem, you need to go back 10 years in that woman's life, offer her assistance then, birth control access and education, job training, etc.

It's probably too late to get her to turn around her life and become productive, but it's definitely too late if you're just cutting off the money.  And even if you wanted to do that, you're talking about free child care and things like that -- more government assistance.

[Spider-Dan]

As we've discussed before, the overwhelming majority of people receiving government assistance are:

1) children (or families with children)
2) the disabled
3) the elderly

So when we talk about those on government assistance needing to be made "more uncomfortable," let's be explicit: we are talking about children that need a harder life so they are properly motivated.  Or maybe we mean grandmothers, or the blind, or people in wheelchairs.  (Or blind grandmothers in wheelchairs!)

[CF DolFan]

Guy at work busts his arse and makes good money but won't marry his girlfriend because the gov takes care of them. They just bought a house, well she did anyway, with a lot of help from the government. People will always find a way to abuse the system as long as there is a system.

[Spider-Dan]

Yes, we all know about the welfare queens driving their Cadillacs to go pick up free government lobsters.  St. Ronnie told this "story" many times.

Weird that if I tell a story about the pastor of a tax-exempt church who arrives in his private jet and has his personal driver take him to his 10,000 sqft mansion, no one thinks this is a reason to eliminate the tax exemption for churches.  Yet both of these are examples of abusing the system to take advantage of the taxpayer.

[CF DolFan]

Weird that if I tell a story about the pastor of a tax-exempt church who arrives in his private jet and has his personal driver take him to his 10,000 sqft mansion, no one thinks this is a reason to eliminate the tax exemption for churches.  Yet both of these are examples of abusing the system to take advantage of the taxpayer.

I have many more issues with this scenario than this guy's taxes but that's a whole different thread. It isn't the lack of taxes paying for that stuff.

[Sunstroke]

Weird that if I tell a story about the pastor of a tax-exempt church who arrives in his private jet and has his personal driver take him to his 10,000 sqft mansion, no one thinks this is a reason to eliminate the tax exemption for churches.  Yet both of these are examples of abusing the system to take advantage of the taxpayer.

I still believe that is one of the biggest fiscal mistakes this country has ever made....and if I could snap my fingers and change one thing about this country, I'd pause for a second whilst considering eliminating the two party system before it started, before ripping that evangelical honeypot out of their hands.

[pondwater]

I understand where you're coming from, but I just don't think that lines up with reality.

That's what you wish would happen.  That's what I also wish would happen.  But not what actually does happen.  Nobody is on government assistance because of how comfortable it is.

The image you're painting of some cracked out mother with a bunch of kids with different dads who is too lazy to work -- that's just not what we're dealing with.  If you cut off assistance, kids go without food.  It's not like she's all of a sudden going to get her shit together.

And an even harder reality is that to solve that problem, you need to go back 10 years in that woman's life, offer her assistance then, birth control access and education, job training, etc.

It's probably too late to get her to turn around her life and become productive, but it's definitely too late if you're just cutting off the money.  And even if you wanted to do that, you're talking about free child care and things like that -- more government assistance.

That's simply not the case. I personally know single females with multiple kids with different fathers. They draw most of the government subsidies and tax credits available. They're everywhere.

For example, I know one who lives in a shotgun house next to an abandoned house on each side. She's moved 6-7 times, had 5-6 jobs, and had 4-5 different POS cars, all in the past year. She just sold her piece of shit Pontiac G6 for $1800. Guess what she bought with her tax and stimulus money? A fucking 12 year old Mercedes Benz. I guess a fake image is more important than where you and your children live.

I feel so sorry for those kids, they deserve better that that. But at the end of the day, it's not the taxpayer's responsibility to fund her and her kids. People should be held accountable for their own stupid choices, not given free money.

[Spider-Dan]

Children should not be "held accountable" for the choices of their parents.  So we can either give their parents money to raise them, or we can have the state start confiscating kids if their parents are too poor (and/or sterilizing low-income parents).

I doubt any conservative supports giving that kind of power to a Democrat.

[pondwater]

Children should not be "held accountable" for the choices of their parents.  So we can either give their parents money to raise them, or we can have the state start confiscating kids if their parents are too poor (and/or sterilizing low-income parents).

I doubt any conservative supports giving that kind of power to a Democrat.

To raise them? You mean make them live in a dilapidated building and feed them McD's chicken nuggets every meal while mom goes clubbing  3-4 days a week in her new 12 year old Mercedes that "WE" paid for. Yeah, that makes sense 🤦🤦🤦

The fact is that those kids are being "held accountable" for her choices whether you give her money or not. She gets away with what she's being allowed to get away with. She isn't a random isolated case. Maybe you ain't been paying attention, there's batshit crazy single mothers everywhere who abuse the system with their mating habits. 

[Spider-Dan]

You mean make them live in a dilapidated building and feed them McD's chicken nuggets every meal while mom goes clubbing  3-4 days a week in her new 12 year old Mercedes that "WE" paid for.

Unstated is the alternative: for the children to be homeless and starving.

So, um, yeah: that IS what I mean.

[ArtieChokePhin]

Unstated is the alternative: for the children to be homeless and starving.

So, um, yeah: that IS what I mean.

So at that point, take the kids and declare her a unfit mother.  And yes, pay for her to be surgically sterilized.