Churches are burning in Canada

[Fau Teixeira]

Apparently from 1830 to the late 1990s residential "schools" were setup and run in Canada to integrate and assimilate first nations peoples (canadian native americans). These schools were run by the government and churches (anglican and catholic). They've been discovering unmarked graves of thousands of children at these locations. People are really mad at this.

With the very poor track record churches have with covering up abuse the result is inevitable and over the past few days 7 churches have been burned to the ground across Canada, probably with more to come.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3dnyk/more-churches-torched-in-canada-as-outrage-against-catholics-grows

If children were raped and killed at Dennys as much as they've been at church, I would like to believe that we've had burned every Dennys to the ground already. I'm not saying that I condone arson, but I understand the anger. And when government tries to sweep this under the rug and justice is denied, people will make their own justice.

[ArtieChokePhin]

Apparently from 1830 to the late 1990s residential "schools" were setup and run in Canada to integrate and assimilate first nations peoples (canadian native americans). These schools were run by the government and churches (anglican and catholic). They've been discovering unmarked graves of thousands of children at these locations. People are really mad at this.

With the very poor track record churches have with covering up abuse the result is inevitable and over the past few days 7 churches have been burned to the ground across Canada, probably with more to come.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3dnyk/more-churches-torched-in-canada-as-outrage-against-catholics-grows

If children were raped and killed at Dennys as much as they've been at church, I would like to believe that we've had burned every Dennys to the ground already. I'm not saying that I condone arson, but I understand the anger. And when government tries to sweep this under the rug and justice is denied, people will make their own justice.

Sometimes you need to be like the Wild West..... clean everything up with six guns or torches/pitchforks.

[Sunstroke]

Sometimes you need to be like the Wild West..... clean everything up with six guns or torches/pitchforks.

I hear what you're saying, and can even appreciate a little righteous anger...but no, we don't ever-ever-ever need the Wild West back again. On our species' developmental arc, that is the absolute opposite direction that we should be going.

[Dolphster]

Sometimes you need to be like the Wild West..... clean everything up with six guns or torches/pitchforks.

From a strictly emotional standpoint, I'm right there with you.  But as a civilized society, we can't let emotion 100% dictate our response to horrible things.  I will admit that I feel like a hypocrite for saying that, because if I had a child who was a victim of sexual abuse, etc., I would be arrested for murder.   

[ArtieChokePhin]

I hear what you're saying, and can even appreciate a little righteous anger...but no, we don't ever-ever-ever need the Wild West back again. On our species' developmental arc, that is the absolute opposite direction that we should be going.

From a strictly emotional standpoint, I'm right there with you.  But as a civilized society, we can't let emotion 100% dictate our response to horrible things.  I will admit that I feel like a hypocrite for saying that, because if I had a child who was a victim of sexual abuse, etc., I would be arrested for murder.   

Go see the movie Shooter starring Mark Wahlberg and Danny Glover.  Towards the end, the AG says to Wahlberg, "This isn't the Wild West and you can't clean up everything with a six gun.  But sometimes, that's exactly what is needed."   That prompted Wahlberg to hunt down and kill the corrupt people in the movie at the end.

[Phishfan]

Movie...

[Spider-Dan]

From a strictly emotional standpoint, I'm right there with you.  But as a civilized society, we can't let emotion 100% dictate our response to horrible things.  I will admit that I feel like a hypocrite for saying that, because if I had a child who was a victim of sexual abuse, etc., I would be arrested for murder.

That doesn't make you a hypocrite, for two reasons:

1) You don't believe we should put victims (or their relatives) in charge of sentencing
2) You understand that in the situation you described, you would be a murderer

It's not hypocritical at all to say "This is how our society should work" while understanding that your emotions would change if you were involved.  Setting this particular example in Canada aside, if you were falsely accused of sexual assault, I'm sure you'd like a chance to prove your innocence before you were murdered.

[Sunstroke]

Go see the movie Shooter starring Mark Wahlberg and Danny Glover.  Towards the end, the AG says to Wahlberg, "This isn't the Wild West and you can't clean up everything with a six gun.  But sometimes, that's exactly what is needed."   That prompted Wahlberg to hunt down and kill the corrupt people in the movie at the end.

I've seen it...a couple of times. I just don't look to an action movie to determine how I deal with people in the real world.

[masterfins]

Although I find this deplorable, at any time, I think there is added context needed.  Specifically when did these deaths occur???  If they were occurring in the 1800's or early 1900's, it doesn't make sense to me to go blaming people now that weren't even alive when the atrocities occurred.  If we trace the roots of every person in the U.S. we could find many people that had ancestors who owned slaves; is it okay to go burn their (possibly your) house down??

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Although I find this deplorable, at any time, I think there is added context needed.  Specifically when did these deaths occur???  If they were occurring in the 1800's or early 1900's, it doesn't make sense to me to go blaming people now that weren't even alive when the atrocities occurred.  If we trace the roots of every person in the U.S. we could find many people that had ancestors who owned slaves; is it okay to go burn their (possibly your) house down??

Did you bother to read the article?  they remained active until the late 1990s.  So less than 30 years ago.  The Catholic Church has a history of protecting those who commit atrocities.

[Dolphster]

The Catholic Church has a history of protecting those who commit atrocities.

Understatement of the year right there.  The Catholic Church is the biggest pedophile ring in the world and their history of just "transferring" the ones who get caught is nauseating. 

[Tenshot13]

Understatement of the year right there.  The Catholic Church is the biggest pedophile ring in the world and their history of just "transferring" the ones who get caught is nauseating. 

Pedophilia is actually not nearly as bad as you would think.  Teachers are way worse and it's not even close.  The cover-ups are what is inexcusable. 

[ArtieChokePhin]

Pedophilia is actually not nearly as bad as you would think.  Teachers are way worse and it's not even close.  The cover-ups are what is inexcusable.  

One thing I've always noticed and I see it all the time on the news with teachers who fuck their students.  If it's a male teacher, it's always an overweight middle aged slob looking guy.   If it's a female teacher, she is always smokin' hot and could have anyone she wants, guy or girl.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Pedophilia is actually not nearly as bad as you would think.  Teachers are way worse and it's not even close.  The cover-ups are what is inexcusable. 

Really?  Schools and teachers are worse?  Don't know of a single instance of a pedophilia teacher being transferred to a different school system rather than be prosecuted.

[ArtieChokePhin]

Really?  Schools and teachers are worse?  Don't know of a single instance of a pedophilia teacher being transferred to a different school system rather than be prosecuted.

I think he means that it's more rampant in the public school systems than in the catholic church.