Churches are burning in Canada

[Spider-Dan]

Pedophilia is actually not nearly as bad as you would think.  Teachers are way worse and it's not even close.  The cover-ups are what is inexcusable.

If, as you say yourself, the cover-ups are what are inexcusable, then how are teachers "way worse"?

The problem with the Catholic Church is not that child molesters exist and some are affiliated with the church.  There are bad people within every organization: from clergy to teachers, from police to doctors, from athletes to social workers.  The problem is specifically the institutional cover-up from higher ups, and that problem is not "way worse" in schools.

[Dolphster]

If, as you say yourself, the cover-ups are what are inexcusable, then how are teachers "way worse"?

The problem with the Catholic Church is not that child molesters exist and some are affiliated with the church.  There are bad people within every organization: from clergy to teachers, from police to doctors, from athletes to social workers.  The problem is specifically the institutional cover-up from higher ups, and that problem is not "way worse" in schools.

Exactly.  And since the church is so skilled at covering it up, that means that there are far more offenders within the church than anyone knows because their rampant covering up of the offenses means that many of the offenders are never found out. 

[Dave Gray]

I don't like to see anything burn, but I guess I understand that frustration isn't always logical.

Churches, especially.  I'm no fan of churches, in general, but there's a pretty sordid history when it comes to burning down churches.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I think he means that it's more rampant in the public school systems than in the catholic church.

I realize that his claim.  And I call bullshit on that claim.  In public schools isolated issues are a single bad teacher with the rest fully committed to protecting the children.  Within the church those who don't actually commit the abuse are willing participants in the cover up. 

[ArtieChokePhin]

I realize that his claim.  And I call bullshit on that claim.  In public schools isolated issues are a single bad teacher with the rest fully committed to protecting the children.  Within the church those who don't actually commit the abuse are willing participants in the cover up. 

I agree with you there.  But statuatory rape/child molestation incidents happen more often in the public schools simply because there are more of them than there are catholic churches in this country.  Way more.

[Tenshot13]

I swear, if you guys aren't twisting someone's words at every opportunity.  Let me be extremely clear.

Pedophilia is as bad as it gets.  Teachers commit more acts of pedophilia than the Catholic Church, and it isn't even close.  There is a misconception that a very large number of priests are molesting children.  That is not the case, however the willingness the Catholic Church has to cover it up is why it makes it so bad...not only are priests abusing children, the higher ups are covering it up.

[Dave Gray]

You can't really compare number of incidents.  There are roughly 3.5 million teachers in the US.  There are 37,000 priests.

[Spider-Dan]

Teachers commit more acts of pedophilia than the Catholic Church, and it isn't even close.

How can you even know that?

In order to say that, you would have to have a number on how many cases are successfully being covered up by the Catholic Church.

You're talking about the number of teacher molestation cases as if it's so high that there's no way the Catholic Church could possibly be covering up that many incidents, and I don't think that's true at all.

[Tenshot13]

You can't really compare number of incidents.  There are roughly 3.5 million teachers in the US.  There are 37,000 priests.

Well, according this, it goes on to say 3.5 million students, or roughly 7%, reported some sort of sexual abuse from teachers or coaches.  And this only includes grades 8th-11th

https://childrenstreatmentcenter.com/sexual-abuse-teachers/

And according to this, 10,667 individuals were abused by priests or clergy in 52 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases#:~:text=According%20to%20a%202004%20research,sexual%20abuse%20by%2010%2C667%20individuals.

[ArtieChokePhin]

How can you even know that?

In order to say that, you would have to have a number on how many cases are successfully being covered up by the Catholic Church.

You're talking about the number of teacher molestation cases as if it's so high that there's no way the Catholic Church could possibly be covering up that many incidents, and I don't think that's true at all.

Well, according this, it goes on to say 3.5 million students, or roughly 7%, reported some sort of sexual abuse from teachers or coaches.  And this only includes grades 8th-11th

https://childrenstreatmentcenter.com/sexual-abuse-teachers/

And according to this, 10,667 individuals were abused by priests or clergy in 52 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases#:~:text=According%20to%20a%202004%20research,sexual%20abuse%20by%2010%2C667%20individuals.

Damn those pesky facts.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Damn those pesky facts.

Facts matter. 

The first says 7% of children have had some sort of inappropriate contact by all adults.  That includes teachers, coaches, priests, parents, friends parents etc. Including unreported cases.

The second one is the number of abuse case by the Catholic church as acknowledged by the Catholic church.

Not even apples and oranges.  You comparing apples and the number yellow.

[Spider-Dan]

Well, according this, it goes on to say 3.5 million students, or roughly 7%, reported some sort of sexual abuse from teachers or coaches.  And this only includes grades 8th-11th

Fair enough.  If those numbers are accurate, that is indeed a lot more.

I still don't think there's an equivalency between the kind of abuse being reported at that link and intentional cover-ups by Catholic authorities.  And going back to the OP, the outrage is at the cover-up - the unmarked graves being discovered.

[Fau Teixeira]

Fair enough.  If those numbers are accurate, that is indeed a lot more.

I still don't think there's an equivalency between the kind of abuse being reported at that link and intentional cover-ups by Catholic authorities.  And going back to the OP, the outrage is at the cover-up - the unmarked graves being discovered.

i'm pretty sure the outrage is mostly about the genocide and the coverup was just the straw

[Spider-Dan]

Is (open and unobscured) native genocide a new and unheard of thing in Canada?  I thought they had a lot of similar history in that regard.

[Fau Teixeira]

well these are children, i think that was new