New poll shows 78 percent are in favor of stronger voter ID laws

[Dolphster]

College degrees are great, but so are trade skills.  I think it's a disservice to paint people into one camp or the other.  We need both to function and both have value.

I have benefitted a lot from my college degree.  It gave me a lot of skills, not just in knowledge, but in team and personal management and meeting expectations, that I use, when paired with the actual stuff I learned on the job.

But I have friends who were never cut out for college and forced that route on themselves and it just delayed their productive eventual careers.  But some form of schooling (like to help them run their finances and stuff) would've been helpful.

Absolutely!  I couldn't agree with you more.  Hell, I think TDMMC might have finally stumbled onto a topic (the value in trade schools) that the highest percentage of us has ever agreed on.  LOL

[Fau Teixeira]

Absolutely!  I couldn't agree with you more.  Hell, I think TDMMC might have finally stumbled onto a topic (the value in trade schools) that the highest percentage of us has ever agreed on.  LOL

100%

Also beyond trade schools, formal apprenticeships would also be a good system to pass down skilled trades.

[Spider-Dan]

Again, voting for president is not a constitutional right.  Here's yet another more recent article from business insider
Can states technically bypass elections and appoint their electors without input from the voters? YES or NO?

If yes, you have no actual right to vote.

Citizens are allowed to vote for much more than just President, so I don't know why you keep bringing this up.
We already went over this.
 

A drivers license or state ID card isn't hard to get.

If it's not hard to get, surely you won't object to every citizen being guaranteed a free state ID before we implement voter ID laws.

I'm just using your logic. You said that if people didn't like banking at a bank that constitutionally and legally required a valid photo ID, they are free to go somewhere else that doesn't have the ID requirement.

Yes, because our government is a democratic republic and banks are a capitalist business.  Those things are not the same.
Telling people "Go find another government if you don't like this one" is a ridiculous comparison to choosing a bank.

Voter ID laws are targeted at voting in person. Now, the proper analogy would be if you physically walk up to a bank teller in the local office. Would the teller require a valid photo ID to withdraw money? YES or NO?

The answer is maybe; it depends on the bank.
I assure you that I could prove my identity at my own bank without a photo ID.

Most things like firearms and liquor that require ID are at point of sale or transaction.

You're making a circular argument: things are the way they are because that's the way they are.  There's no reason we can't require photo ID every time you fire a gun, just like you want to require photo ID every time you cast a vote.  And your decision to call voting a transaction is arbitrary; it is not necessary to have an interaction between people to cast a vote.

[Dolphster]

100%

Also beyond trade schools, formal apprenticeships would also be a good system to pass down skilled trades.

For sure!  I hadn't even thought about formal apprenticeships.  That would be an excellent idea.

[pondwater]

Citizens are allowed to vote for much more than just President, so I don't know why you keep bringing this up.
We already went over this.

I'll keep correcting you as long as you keep pushing the lie that peoples "constitutional right to determine who is in control of our government" are being violated by voter ID. It's a moot point anyhow. Because the SCOTUS has ruled government-issued photo voter ID legal and constitutional. Therefore, no one's rights are being violated and you are wrong and/or lying.

If it's not hard to get, surely you won't object to every citizen being guaranteed a free state ID before we implement voter ID laws.

Sure, I don't object to a free government ID that functions as a government photo ID, voter ID, Driver's licence, and nationwide CCW reciprocity card. As long as applying in person and following the REAL ID compliant protocol when issued. Which includes providing approved forms of: Proof of primary identification, proof of Social Security, and proof of residential address.

Yes, because our government is a democratic republic and banks are a capitalist business.  Those things are not the same.
Telling people "Go find another government if you don't like this one" is a ridiculous comparison to choosing a bank.

It's not ridiculous to move to another state or country that fits your political views better, it's called freedom. It's what this country was founded on. Thousands of people do it every week.

The whole point of different states is that they are different. The whole point of different countries is because they are different. If you prefer to not deal with legally and constitutionally being required to submit valid government photo ID to vote. By all means, exercise your freedom and go somewhere that better fits your belief system and doesn't require voter ID. No one is being forced to do anything, at this point everyone has a choice.

I know that the left wants to force their agenda on everyone and make all the states the same and model the country like other countries, but everyone doesn't agree with that agenda. What a shitty world it would be if that agenda ever happens.

The answer is maybe; it depends on the bank.
I assure you that I could prove my identity at my own bank without a photo ID.

Well I'm glad that you're some kind of special unicorn. But I'm pretty sure that almost all banks require ID to make a withdrawal in person at the teller window.

Now that begs the question. Why would Spider-Dan try to prove his identity without a commonplace photo ID? What's the point? I thinks someone is either bullshitting and/or high on some illegal substance so they can pat themselves on the back.

You're making a circular argument: things are the way they are because that's the way they are.  There's no reason we can't require photo ID every time you fire a gun, just like you want to require photo ID every time you cast a vote.  And your decision to call voting a transaction is arbitrary; it is not necessary to have an interaction between people to cast a vote.

Go to the location, show your ID, secure your firearm, you're done until you have to come back to pick another firearm, then rinse and repeat.

Go to the location, show your ID, secure your liquor, you're done until you have to come back to pick another bottle, then rinse and repeat.

Go to the location, show your ID, secure your candidate, you're done until you have to come back to pick another candidate, then rinse and repeat.

[Dave Gray]

For sure!  I hadn't even thought about formal apprenticeships.  That would be an excellent idea.

Definitely.  Don't take my appreciation for trades as a repudiation of college or education.  I think college is still great.  So is the military.  So are trade schools, apprenticeships.  So are the police or fire academy.

College is a path for certain skills, but in addition to trade skills, certain technical skills when I was in my late teens were advancing faster than the school could build a curriculum.  If you wanted to be on the cutting-edge of programming, I'm not sure that college was the best place for you.

It's really about plugging yourself into to some kind of network where you can continue to learn as you progress, but also give back to your community and become part of it so that you have a group of people to find work, build professional relationships, etc.