Covid in Florida

[pondwater]

Exactly.

But pondwater doesn't agree with that.  He just thinks we're hypocrites for criticizing ALL anti-vaxxers, instead of focusing just on the black and Hispanic ones.

Funny how you criticize "ALL" anti-vaxxers only when you get called out for your hypocrisy. Before that it was all about the evil conservative anti-vaxxers.

[ArtieChokePhin]

Exactly.

But pondwater doesn't agree with that.  He just thinks we're hypocrites for criticizing ALL anti-vaxxers, instead of focusing just on the black and Hispanic ones.

You shouldn't be criticizing anyone for exercising their freedom of choice, regardless of their ethnic background.

[Fau Teixeira]

You shouldn't be criticizing anyone for exercising their freedom of choice, regardless of their ethnic background.

Sure you should. Absolutely you should. You should never criticize people for who they are or where they were born. But you absolutely 100% should criticize people for their choices and for their opinions. I don't give 2 shits that they're exercising their freedoms, that just means it's not illegal to make those choices. It's still assholery. Respect people, not ideas, not choices. They stand on their own.

[ArtieChokePhin]

Sure you should. Absolutely you should. You should never criticize people for who they are or where they were born. But you absolutely 100% should criticize people for their choices and for their opinions. I don't give 2 shits that they're exercising their freedoms, that just means it's not illegal to make those choices. It's still assholery. Respect people, not ideas, not choices. They stand on their own.

No, you shouldn't.   People don't want this poison put into their bodies for a reason.   And as you can see, it doesn't do a very good job of protecting you from the virus.  Therefore, I will not be getting it (not that I need to since I've already had COVID).   

And for those who want to criticize me because I'm putting others at risk, then to quote Ivan Drago in Rocky IV:   "If they die, they die"

[pondwater]

No, you shouldn't.   People don't want this poison put into their bodies for a reason.   And as you can see, it doesn't do a very good job of protecting you from the virus.  Therefore, I will not be getting it (not that I need to since I've already had COVID).   

And for those who want to criticize me because I'm putting others at risk, then to quote Ivan Drago in Rocky IV:   "If they die, they die"

I think the people that don't want to take the vaccine are going about this all wrong. If you want to get it, go ahead and get it. If you don't want to get it, just don't get it. I won't judge anyone either way.

But whatever you do, don't tell anyone your vaccination status. That way the nutball liberals won't know who to bully and harrass. I got better shit to do than argue my healthcare choices with crazy people. And no, that doesn't mean I'm not vaccinated. It means it's none of your damn business either way.

[Fau Teixeira]

No, you shouldn't.   People don't want this poison put into their bodies for a reason.   And as you can see, it doesn't do a very good job of protecting you from the virus.  Therefore, I will not be getting it (not that I need to since I've already had COVID).   

And for those who want to criticize me because I'm putting others at risk, then to quote Ivan Drago in Rocky IV:   "If they die, they die"

It's your right, and it's my right to think you're an asshole and to not want to be anywhere near you. You know .. freedom and all that.

[Fau Teixeira]

I think the people that don't want to take the vaccine are going about this all wrong. If you want to get it, go ahead and get it. If you don't want to get it, just don't get it. I won't judge anyone either way.

But whatever you do, don't tell anyone your vaccination status. That way the nutball liberals won't know who to bully and harrass. I got better shit to do than argue my healthcare choices with crazy people. And no, that doesn't mean I'm not vaccinated. It means it's none of your damn business either way.

I'm cool with that too. You don't have to tell anyone you're vaccinated or not. Unless of course there's a requirement, be it a private business as a condition of entry or employment or a public institution as a legal requirement. Either way up to you to not frequent those places.

[ArtieChokePhin]

It's your right, and it's my right to think you're an asshole and to not want to be anywhere near you. You know .. freedom and all that.

Assholes always win.

[Fau Teixeira]

Assholes always win.

keep winning then

[Dave Gray]

I don't like any free passes given to black people for Tuskeegee as it relates to the COVID vaccine.  My wife brings that up, and I say "fuck that".

The information is out there.  You either choose to accept the world's scientific community or you don't.

[pondwater]

I'm cool with that too. You don't have to tell anyone you're vaccinated or not. Unless of course there's a requirement, be it a private business as a condition of entry or employment or a public institution as a legal requirement. Either way up to you to not frequent those places.

As noted earlier, for anyone that doesn't want to get vaccinated, the single best way not to catch covid is to limit your exposure to other people. Most businesses like profits that the customers provide and want to stay in business and aren't going to require anything on their own. I can't foresee the government making vaccinations mandatory to go buy food or necessities. Plenty of restaurants that have outside seating. With breakthrough Covid spreading like it is, I'm not interested in going to anything with large crowds like concerts or sports events anyhow. I been doing this 18 months, it's pretty easy and not really a big deal.

[Spider-Dan]

Funny how you criticize "ALL" anti-vaxxers only when you get called out for your hypocrisy. Before that it was all about the evil conservative anti-vaxxers.

It still is; conservatives are the worst offenders when it comes to opposing the COVID vaccines.  And seeing you complain of supposed hypocrisy as you blame black anti-vaxxers in one post while gently caressing conservative anti-vaxxers in the next post are a joke.  I'm calling you out RIGHT NOW and you're still doing it!

On a related note, I came across a timely article today.  Looks like you're not the only conservative trying to scapegoat brown people for vaccine hesitancy:

Republicans keep hiding behind White Democrats to shift vaccine hesitancy blame onto Black Americans

...Republicans are (probably subconsciously) trying to use the fact that most Republicans are White to imply that most Whites are Republican, which isn't true.  The reality is that Black vaccination rates do reflect a greater hesitancy than is true of Whites overall, but Blacks are less hesitant than White Republicans, the focal point of the aforementioned criticism.

A poll from NBC News released on Tuesday offers an interesting lens on the question.  It broke out self-reported vaccination rates by a number of demographic groups.  Poeple who voted for President Biden last year, for example, overwhelmingly say they've been vaccinated.  Republicans largely say they haven't.  In this poll, unlike many others, Whites are less likely to report having been vaccinated than Blacks.  [...]

Yes, Black Americans are both more likely to express hesitation about getting vaccinated than Whites and (in part due to structural challenges) are less likely to have gotten a shot.  But by focusing on Black vaccination rates, Republicans are simply trying to draw a false equivalence with the left broadly, using those higher rates among Whites to cast Blacks as laggards - even though White rates are higher because of White Democrats.  If you remove the White Democrats from the White totals, Black vaccination rates would almost certainly be higher.

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So yeah, the largest source of the problem is ultra clear.  But that's OK, because you "won't judge anyone either way."  Unless it's black people, who you think I should be criticizing.  Even though I criticize everyone who opposes the vaccines and I've never expressed any sort of support for them.

[ArtieChokePhin]

keep winning then

I will.  If vaxxers choose not to be around me, that's one thing.   But vaxxers choose to criticize me in public or on social media, be prepared for a verbal confrontation which if in person, could very well escalate into a physical one.

[Fau Teixeira]

I will.  If vaxxers choose not to be around me, that's one thing.   But vaxxers choose to criticize me in public or on social media, be prepared for a verbal confrontation which if in person, could very well escalate into a physical one.

If by "vaxxers" you mean regular people then yes, I'm criticizing you. Your decision is stupid. It's selfish and ignorant. It ignores common sense, any sense of community, respect for those unable to protect themselves, or children. I'm very comfortable criticizing you in public.

The attitude that you would escalate any criticism to a physical level just makes you a petulant child throwing a tantrum when being rightfully admonished. Grow up.

[Sunstroke]

But vaxxers choose to criticize me in public or on social media, be prepared for a verbal confrontation which if in person, could very well escalate into a physical one.

You really-really-really need to get some professional help for those anger issues.