Covid in Florida

[dolphins4life]

Maybe if I cut and paste, you'd see the double standard better                                                                                              I am not talking about denying (or, more accurately, deprioritizing) assistance to all poor people, but rather those who specifically and intentionally refused to take precautions like not doing drugs, having children even though they couldn't afford them, which doesn't apply to women only, it can apply to families on Medicaid and EBT who continue to breed and get more and more of other people's money.                                                                                                                               In contrast, you make no such distinctions with your attacks on sick.  I've mentioned time and time again that the overwhelming majority of people receiving assistance for COVID in America are a) elderly, b) have medical conditions they can't control, or c) people who were irresponsible#.  But you can't let go of your resentment for somebody who wants to be who they are.  Every comment you make about the sick is always through that lens.                                                                                                                                                   *Having Children when you are already receiving assistance is abusing the system and cheating the taxpayers regardless of what any bleeding heart says.  This does not apply only to women, while as only they can birth children, many families abuse the system, too . 

[Spider-Dan]

I am not talking about denying (or, more accurately, deprioritizing) assistance to all poor people, but rather those who specifically and intentionally refused to take precautions like (list)

Great!  Then you are in favor of maintaining the overwhelming majority of government assistance to the poor, who do not fall into any of the categories you list.  Glad we agree.

If you decide to copy and modify that sentence to apply to those sick with COVID, make sure your modification accounts for the fact that over 99% of people currently hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated.

In contrast, you make no such distinctions with your attacks on sick.  I've mentioned time and time again that the overwhelming majority of people receiving assistance for COVID in America are a) elderly, b) have medical conditions they can't control, or c) people who were irresponsible#.

C are the people I have a problem with, and - again - they represent over 99% of people hospitalized with COVID.

But you can't let go of your resentment for somebody who wants to be who they are.

What does this even mean?
You're terrible at this game.

*Having Children when you are already receiving assistance is abusing the system and cheating the taxpayers regardless of what any bleeding heart says.

You won't ever actually come out and say, "I think poor children should starve," or "I think families on food stamps should have their children confiscated by the state."  At least have the guts to state your solution to the problem.

[Sunstroke]

Nice double standard.  So we should help some irresponsible people but not others?

Ahhhh...back on the "poor people are taking all my money" boo-hooing again, eh?

[Dave Gray]

^ I keep telling him.  He's being duped into thinking he's paying extra taxes for poor people to live for free.  He's paying extra taxes so rich people can get off.  He just doesn't get it.

[pondwater]

^ I keep telling him.  He's being duped into thinking he's paying extra taxes for poor people to live for free.  He's paying extra taxes so rich people can get off.  He just doesn't get it.

The top 5% income group pays approximately 60% of all income taxes. The bottom 50% of income group pays approximately 3% of all income taxes. I think the liberals don't get it.

[Dolphster]

^ I keep telling him.  He's being duped into thinking he's paying extra taxes for poor people to live for free.  He's paying extra taxes so rich people can get off.  He just doesn't get it.

Not trying to disparage D4L in any way, but from a lot of what he has said through the years here, I don't think he is in a very high income bracket.  So I doubt that what he pays in taxes is supporting any "poor people living the good life" as he would say or allowing any rich people to "get off". 

[dolphins4life]

Not trying to disparage D4L in any way, but from a lot of what he has said through the years here, I don't think he is in a very high income bracket.  So I doubt that what he pays in taxes is supporting any "poor people living the good life" as he would say or allowing any rich people to "get off". 

oh I pay plenty of state and federal taxes each year

[Dolphster]

oh I pay plenty of state and federal taxes each year

Ok, my apologies then. 

[dolphins4life]

Great!  Then you are in favor of maintaining the overwhelming majority of government assistance to the poor, who do not fall into any of the categories you list.  Glad we agree.

If you decide to copy and modify that sentence to apply to those sick with COVID, make sure your modification accounts for the fact that over 99% of people currently hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated.
C are the people I have a problem with, and - again - they represent over 99% of people hospitalized with COVID.
What does this even mean?
You're terrible at this game.
You won't ever actually come out and say, "I think poor children should starve," or "I think families on food stamps should have their children confiscated by the state."  At least have the guts to state your solution to the problem.

I am comparing people on government assistance who have and continue to have children with people who choose not to follow protocols.   Both people are irresponsible and force others to pay for it.  Can you fill in the rest of the analogy from there?  You, yourself have stated that one of the main groups of people who receive government assistance have children.  I confirmed this in my original post.  I want you to explain why we should have sympathy for one group, but not the other

[Spider-Dan]

The top 5% income group pays approximately 60% of all income taxes.

The majority of taxes that middle- and lower-income people pay are payroll taxes, not income taxes.  But I guess those don't count!

You only hear rich people (and their defenders) complain about income taxes because payroll taxes are insignificant to the rich, but income taxes are huge.  That's why we have this line about "income taxes" trotted out over and over.

[Spider-Dan]

oh I pay plenty of state and federal taxes each year

Every person posting on this forum pays "plenty of state and federal taxes."

I am comparing people on government assistance who have and continue to have children with people who choose not to follow protocols.   Both people are irresponsible and force others to pay for it.  Can you fill in the rest of the analogy from there?

When talking about poor families with children, we provide them assistance to help the children, who are innocent and may yet become productive adults.

So what is your analogy here for why we should continue to admit unvaccinated COVID patients to hospitals with ICUs at capacity?  If a vaccinated mother of 4 comes in because she's having a severe asthma attack, the bed she needs for care should NOT be already taken by an unvaccinated mother of 4 sick with COVID.

Despite the screeching of the right every time a Democrat is in the White House, we aren't running out of money to help the poor... but we ARE running out of ICU beds to treat the sick.

[dolphins4life]

^ I keep telling him.  He's being duped into thinking he's paying extra taxes for poor people to live for free.  He's paying extra taxes so rich people can get off.  He just doesn't get it.

. I want you to explain this to me.  Trump CUT taxes, not raised them.  Try explaining it to me from a one person perspective with one thousand dollars.  Tell me how a conservative government would tax that money vs a liberal one

[dolphins4life]

Every person posting on this forum pays "plenty of state and federal taxes."
When talking about poor families with children, we provide them assistance to help the children, who are innocent and may yet become productive adults.

So what is your analogy here for why we should continue to admit unvaccinated COVID patients to hospitals with ICUs at capacity?  If a vaccinated mother of 4 comes in because she's having a severe asthma attack, the bed she needs for care should NOT be already taken by an unvaccinated mother of 4 sick with COVID.

Despite the screeching of the right every time a Democrat is in the White House, we aren't running out of money to help the poor... but we ARE running out of ICU beds to treat the sick.

. We already are out of money.  We have a national debt.  Edit: no we are not running out of money because we can just keep taxing the working class.  This is where the screeching comes from because people like me work hard for our money and deserve to keep it.  And because it continues to incentivize people not to work and/or improve their lives

[dolphins4life]

Ahhhh...back on the "poor people are taking all my money" boo-hooing again, eh?

.  Was just trying to point out a double standard, thank you very much.   

[pondwater]

The majority of taxes that middle- and lower-income people pay are payroll taxes, not income taxes.  But I guess those don't count!

I don't doubt that, when 50% of the country only pays 3% of the total federal income tax revenue. Hell, their car tag probably costs more than their federal income taxes. Especially with all the millions of people who get back all of their federal income tax withholding in addition to another $5-10K in credits. So in reality, you have people who pay nothing in federal income tax and get paid thousands of dollars for nothing. Thanks for proving my point. But BTW, my federal income taxes have always been higher than any other taxes that I've paid.

You only hear rich people (and their defenders) complain about income taxes because payroll taxes are insignificant to the rich, but income taxes are huge.  That's why we have this line about "income taxes" trotted out over and over.

Federal, state, and local income taxes are included in payroll taxes. You are the one arguing to enact a unicorn like 90% top federal income tax rate. You can't argue with the factual data, so you're conflating two different thing in an attempt to change the subject, you're not fooling anyone. We're specifically talking about federal income taxes.