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« Reply #60 on: October 26, 2021, 11:28:38 am »

Waddle at 6 is a solid pick, the kid is very good. Trading back from 3 and missing out on Chase and Pitts while only getting a 2023 1st rounder is the terrible part.

Phillips gets better every week so judging solely on the picks in 2021, I am fine with that.

The thing is if they were locked in on drafting Waddle, which it seems to me they were, then picking up a free future #1 pick was a great move.  I would have preferred they draft Sewell myself.
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« Reply #61 on: October 26, 2021, 12:12:04 pm »

The thing is if they were locked in on drafting Waddle, which it seems to me they were, then picking up a free future #1 pick was a great move.  I would have preferred they draft Sewell myself.

Two problems with that:

1) Locked in on Waddle as opposed to Chase, Pitts or Sewell was a terrible idea and you have to fir eyour draft people for that one

2) Moving down 3 spots from the "sure things" and only getting a 1st rounder 2 years down the line from a team projected to be good is terrible value. That pick isn't even worth a 2021 2nd rounder.
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« Reply #62 on: October 26, 2021, 07:37:29 pm »

Take it for what it's worth. 3 first round picks is hard to swallow.

Miami Dolphins have reportedly agreed to terms with Houston on Watson trade, but issues remain

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« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2021, 08:09:33 pm »

Even if this story is true, there is no way Watson's legal issues are resolved by the deadline.
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« Reply #64 on: October 26, 2021, 08:20:42 pm »

Even if this story is true, there is no way Watson's legal issues are resolved by the deadline.

They would be settled if Watson financially settles with his accusers but he doesn't ant to do that as it is an admission of guilt. He is right to fight it if he is innocent but that route wouldn't conclude for quite awhile. A settlement can be done over a weekend. The issue with that is Roger Goodell would also see that as an admission of guilt and very likely suspend him for quite awhile. Rest of the year at a minimum.

I don't think Miami could get Watson to settle AND the Commish to rule by next Tuesday, that's a lot.

Oh, and where is Tua going? Having him on the same roster as Watson is beyond toxic and bad for everyone.
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« Reply #65 on: October 27, 2021, 08:38:55 am »

Take it for what it's worth. 3 first round picks is hard to swallow.

Miami Dolphins have reportedly agreed to terms with Houston on Watson trade, but issues remain



The more I think about it, the more I think this is bullshit. Why would the Dolphins agree to a trade as long as THE IMPOSSIBLE happens? There is no chance all of his legal issues and suspension issues are put to rest to their satisfaction within 6 days. That would require Harry Potter level magic. So, either the reporter is making shit up or someone like his agent leaked this for some strange reason.

Either way, if we want Watson and please God I hope we don't, then we will have to roll the dice on his legal issues.
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« Reply #66 on: October 27, 2021, 08:49:37 am »

So, either the reporter is making shit up or someone like his agent leaked this for some strange reason.

I'll take "Making Shit Up" for 500, Alex...


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« Reply #67 on: October 27, 2021, 11:39:35 am »

I'll take "Making Shit Up" for 500, Alex...


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...but if Houston wants three #1 picks I'm okay if they are Tua, Austin Jackson, and Noah Igbinoghere.
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« Reply #68 on: October 27, 2021, 11:41:57 am »

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport says that Watson has not waived his no trade for any other team but Miami and the Panthers aren't expected to make an offer. So, once again it's Miami or bust. I have no idea if any of this is real but if we are the only bidder and Watson will not have his legal or suspension issues resolved any time soon then how the hell can we bid 3 first rounders for him? Forget the fact that we don't need him and we are morons for thinking he will fix the defense, there are no other offers so our options are give away 3 first rounders and hope he doesn't get suspended or tell them they can have a first rounder or piss off while paying him to not play for another year.

I had much more fun trying to lose in 2019 than I am watching us try to win in 2021. I didn't think we were a laughingstock in 2019, I thought we were smart. Now we are a laughingstock and I'm not hearing any trade rumors about Tua either so having them both on the roster is going to be insane.
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« Reply #69 on: October 27, 2021, 11:42:31 am »

+1

...but if Houston wants three #1 picks I'm okay if they are Tua, Austin Jackson, and Noah Igbinoghere.

"What? You didn't say NEW 1st rounders."
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« Reply #70 on: October 27, 2021, 11:59:19 am »

Forget the fact that we don't need him and we are morons for thinking he will fix the defense...
You don't trade for Watson for THIS year, you trade for Watson for the REST OF HIS CAREER. No, he doesn't fix the defense, the Dolphins are going to have to do that. Is he worth 3 1st round picks for the remainder of his career? I don't know. I'd consider it at least. You'd be stupid not to.

Actually maybe keeping Tua and getting Watson is actually not a bad idea at all. Let's suppose they acquire Watson, there's no rush to start him, this year is history. Maybe he sits on the bench for a few weeks or perhaps he's suspended or put on the commisioner's exempt list. That gives you some more time to continue to evaluate Tua and/or possibly for Tua to increase his trade value. The worst that could happen is that Tua doesn't live up to expectations and you have a fall back plan now. If Tua blows your socks off the rest of this year and Watson straightens out his legal problems and becomes eligible to play again then you decide what to do with one of them. You might just get back a few of those 1st round picks and possibly even more. Win-Win.

Make no mistake the reason that Watson is available right now is because he doesn't want to play for Houston and because of his legal status. If neither of those were an issue then he'd be playing for Houston and it would take EVEN MORE than 3 #1's to acquire him. You are buying LOW because of his status, so NOW is the time to do it if you are going to do it. If you wait till next year, might as well expect the price to go up significantly.
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« Reply #71 on: October 27, 2021, 12:22:27 pm »

Couldn't the suspension issue be handled with conditional picks? 
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« Reply #72 on: October 27, 2021, 12:38:10 pm »

Couldn't the suspension issue be handled with conditional picks? 

Yeah, but I don't think Houston wants to take less than the 3 first rounders. If Watson misses all of 2022, then Miami would probably ask for the 2023 1st rounders back and I don't think Houston would only accept an 1st rounder for Watson when all is said and done.

Too many moving parts for this to get done. This is a panic move from both sides, two front offices filled with imbeciles who don't know what they are doing.
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« Reply #73 on: October 27, 2021, 01:39:27 pm »

They would be settled if Watson financially settles with his accusers but he doesn't ant to do that as it is an admission of guilt. He is right to fight it if he is innocent but that route wouldn't conclude for quite awhile. A settlement can be done over a weekend. The issue with that is Roger Goodell would also see that as an admission of guilt and very likely suspend him for quite awhile. Rest of the year at a minimum.

I don't think Miami could get Watson to settle AND the Commish to rule by next Tuesday, that's a lot.

Oh, and where is Tua going? Having him on the same roster as Watson is beyond toxic and bad for everyone.
A settlement can be done sure. 23 won't.
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« Reply #74 on: October 27, 2021, 01:50:15 pm »

A settlement can be done sure. 23 won't. That's only civil stuff also. No word on the criminal side yet.

If they settle then they will drop the criminal stuff as there will be nothing to go on. If the girls say "nevermind, thanks for the check" then that's the end of it. Watson so far refusing to settle is a good indicator he is or thinks he is innocent and there is no hard evidence of anything. Even if he is guilty, hard to prove these things.

I believe the girls are all represented by the same lawyer so that would make it easy to settle at once. Even if he did rape 3 of them, he didn't rape 23 of them, that would make him one of the worst sexual predators in American history. The girls just want to get paid like the lawyer so they will take the money since going to trial means they get nothing and possibly open themselves up to perjury or false charges.

That being said, while easier to settle 23 at once if they just want money and all have the same attorney, it still isn't easy and that will open himself up to a long suspension by Gooddell. After all, you can be innocent and settle for $25,000 if you are rich and want it done with. No person is going to shell out millions unless they are guilty, no matter how large their bank account is. For those reasons, I don't think a trade happens unless Miami shows even greater stupidity than they have already and trades a huge package for him and rolls the dice on his legal issues. They won't be able to get Watson now without doing so.
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