How Flores stacks up against Gase, Philbin, and Sparano

[CF DolFan]

Omar Kelly pointed out that Flores is way behind his "failed" predecessors. Flores has also had many more resources to deal with so that kind of makes it worse. My question is why isn't there a larger contingency calling for his head? It has to be the first two seasons that is kind of skewing the perception of him.

Adam Gase was 20-20 (.500)
Joe Philbin was 20-20 (.500)
Tony Sparano was 22-18 (.550)
Brian Flores is 16-24 (.400)

[masterfins]

At the start of their HC jobs I think Flores had the worst team to start with, especially with a full on rebuild with very young players.  At this point he probably has the most talented team, so going forward he doesn't deserve much leeway.  He's much better than Gase and Philbin, they had no idea what they were doing.  I'd put him on par with Sparano.

[EDGECRUSHER]

He rightfully gets a pass in 2019 because we tried to lose as much as possible and he somehow won 5 games. In 2020 he won 10 games and almost made the playoffs. Before the seaosn, he was probably Top 5 in terms of job stability. Somehow, the wheels came off this season and we are an abomination. There is no recovery from this, he has to go but goodwill and Ross having no replacement is keeping him on.

As much as it pains me to say it, there is no replacement right now. All of the coordinators are trash and might make things worse somehow.

[CF DolFan]

As much as it pains me to say it, there is no replacement right now. All of the coordinators are trash and might make things worse somehow.

Worse how ... we might go 0-9 instead of 1-7? hahahaha ... That's exactly why we have to get rid of him. He wants inexperienced coaches to bow to him and it's gotten us severely poor coaching. From what Adam Beasley (I think that's who it was) was saying he doesn't want experienced coaches and experienced coaches don't want to work for him for a couple of reasons. His BB attitude and the fact he dumps coaches left and right is a huge turn off for people who have options.  

[Tenshot13]

I'm ready for Harbaugh

[EDGECRUSHER]

I'm ready for Harbaugh

I would love Harbaugh at this point, give him the reins for the whole franchise. It can but hard to imagine it will be worse than what we have now. Shockingly enough, we're not in bad shape in terms of draft picks, cap space and talent. Just completely directionless from the front office to the coaching. One guy can turn this around like Parcells did in only one year. Remains to be seen who that guy is.

[Spider-Dan]

At the start of their HC jobs I think Flores had the worst team to start with, especially with a full on rebuild with very young players.

I think the team Philbin inherited was comparable to the team Flores did, and I think the team Sparano inherited was significantly worse.

Don't make me link the picture of the Belichick coaching tree again.

[pondwater]

How would the other people we interviewed for the HC job would have done if hired instead of Flores. Wonder if Eric Bieniemy or our old special teams coordinator Darren Rizzi would have had more success.

[Spider-Dan]

Before the seaosn, he was probably Top 5 in terms of job stability.

I don't know about that.  The loss at BUF to end the season was pretty embarrassing; it's one thing to lose to a better team on the road, but it's quite another to get your doors completely blown off in a game you needed to win.
At the start of this season, Flores was definitely not in a position to be able to withstand a loss total in the teens.

[EDGECRUSHER]

I think the team Philbin inherited was comparable to the team Flores did, and I think the team Sparano inherited was significantly worse.

Don't make me link the picture of the Belichick coaching tree again.

Sparano inherited a 1-15 team while Flores inherited a team trying to go 1-15, so it's a judgement call.

[Dolfanalyst]

Consider that for the past season and a half, the departure of one player took the New England Patriots and arguably the greatest head coach in history from a 20-year dynasty to merely the average level.  That one player went to a team with a 7-9 record the previous year and immediately won a Super Bowl with it, while he enjoys a top record in the league with it again this year.

It's very difficult to appraise the effectiveness of head coaches in the league unless and until they have a quarterback that enables them to be competitive.  The game just revolves too much around quarterback play to permit anything else.

[CF DolFan]

Kyle Crabbs brought up some things this morning and it got me to thinking that Ross won't make any changes after the season.


1. Tua is done with this team. Short of ending this season looking like Patrick Mahomes of 2 years ago ... they want to move on. Ross and company have screwed that up almost as bad as they did when he ran to interview Harbough while he already had a coach. He hasn't had the support of the team really at any time and they have made it clear they will dump him when someone better comes along.
2. Decisions to fire head coach and/or GM would need to be done in January to prepare for next season.
3. They can't do anything with Watson until March and they aren't guaranteed to get him with other teams likely in play this time.
4. The only reason to go after Watson is because current staff is saying he is the difference to make his team win now.

I think when you put it all together they are planning to stay the course and make no changes. flores has said this a couple of times recently as why he isn't making changes. Somehow he thinks what he is doing will work and it looks like Ross is buying in to me.

[Dolfanalyst]

Kyle Crabbs brought up some things this morning and it got me to thinking that Ross won't make any changes after the season.


1. Tua is done with this team. Short of ending this season looking like Patrick Mahomes of 2 years ago ... they want to move on. Ross and company have screwed that up almost as bad as they did when he ran to interview Harbough while he already had a coach. He hasn't had the support of the team really at any time and they have made it clear they will dump him when someone better comes along.
2. Decisions to fire head coach and/or GM would need to be done in January to prepare for next season.
3. They can't do anything with Watson until March and they aren't guaranteed to get him with other teams likely in play this time.
4. The only reason to go after Watson is because current staff is saying he is the difference to make his team win now.

I think when you put it all together they are planning to stay the course and make no changes. flores has said this a couple of times recently as why he isn't making changes. Somehow he thinks what he is doing will work and it looks like Ross is buying in to me.

I think they'll stay the course with Tua as well.  They aren't going to find anybody better than him on his rookie contract, given the resources at their disposal and the players likely to be available.  The question is how aggressively they're going to use the abundance of salary cap room they'll have to get better.

[stinkfish]

My question is is Tua going to want to stay in Miami, or play his hardest knowing that the Dolphins don't appear to think very highly of him? He's got to see the writing on the wall. It's going to take a toll eventually.

[CF DolFan]

My question is is Tua going to want to stay in Miami, or play his hardest knowing that the Dolphins don't appear to think very highly of him? He's got to see the writing on the wall. It's going to take a toll eventually.

Grier finally came out this morning and supported Tua while saying 90 percent of the rumors were false. He said given the chance again he would have had better communication with Tua. I don't think Tua is dumb and I know his agent isn't. Look for him to try and get into a better position at year's end and ask for a trade.