Ricky Williams vs. Jonathan Martin

[stinkfish]

I think that whole blowup he had at the funeral home pretty much sealed the deal on him being a nut job. 

Oh God. What did he do at a funeral home?

[Dolphster]

Oh God. What did he do at a funeral home?

I need to head out for work so I don't have time to look it up right now.  But if I remember correctly, I think his dad died and of course Richie made some kind of big scene at the funeral home and got in some kind of trouble for it.   If i'm not remembering that story correctly, someone please correct me. 

[ArtieChokePhin]

I need to head out for work so I don't have time to look it up right now.  But if I remember correctly, I think his dad died and of course Richie made some kind of big scene at the funeral home and got in some kind of trouble for it.   If i'm not remembering that story correctly, someone please correct me. 

He wanted to cut off his deceased father's head after the viewing and when the funeral home refused, he threatened to go to his car and get guns and shoot them.  Nowadays, you just can't say shit like that.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/police-report-richie-incognito-wanted-to-cut-off-his-dead-fathers-head-at-funeral-home/

[Pappy13]

Looking back on Bullygate, I think

1) The Dolphins had weak leadership and were ill-equipped to handle that situation (and others), thus they deferred to Incognito and let the inmates run the asylum.
2) Incognito was a meathead, but set up to fail by the organization, because he wasn't properly trained as a coach to motivate his teammates and there was no oversight for his bad behavior.  He is to blame, but he really shouldn't have been put in that position anyway.
3) Martin had some mental issues, but I'm not gonna sit here and diagnose the man.  He may have been able to succeed in an environment that recognized that and helped him overcome it, but I don't think we have any way of knowing that one way or the other.  I think the same is true of Incognito -- he may have been able to have been a strong leader if guided properly -- we'll never know.

Up to this point you were doing pretty good....

Martin also seemed to not be a stellar player and Incognito was pretty good, so I guess that's why fans, other players, and coaches sorta just looked the other way.

This here I think is a lot of guesswork. It's possible that the coaches and players looked the other way while it was happening because of the playing ability of Martin and Incognito, but I don't think we know this or even that's been suggested, it's merely a theory you have. There's a million reasons why the abuse might have been allowed to continue. Fans didn't even know it was happening until afterwards so what they thought has nothing to do with why it went on or continued to go. Players and coaches? We just don't know. We weren't there and you'd probably get different answers from different coaches and different players as to the reasons. I suspect that many didn't realize that Martin was struggling with the abuse as I suspect the type of stuff that was happening happens quite frequently and nothing is ever really done about it. I wouldn't be surprised if this was Incognito's MO and it was allowed everywhere he went but in Martin's case it blew up in his face. I'm not condoning Incognito's behavior, it's terrible. I'm also not condoning players or coaches behavior it's also terrible but I suspect that Incognito's gotten away with it most of his life because the victims of his abuse simply dealt with the situation better than Martin did which is why he continued to do it and why no one else stepped in and that's the real tragedy here. Someone should have stopped Incognito a LONG time before this happened but no one did and that's why this happened. It took someone finally quitting because of the abuse for everyone to realize it should have never been allowed to go on at all.

It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt. There's a reason that's a saying. It's because it's true.

[stinkfish]

He wanted to cut off his deceased father's head after the viewing and when the funeral home refused, he threatened to go to his car and get guns and shoot them.  Nowadays, you just can't say shit like that.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/police-report-richie-incognito-wanted-to-cut-off-his-dead-fathers-head-at-funeral-home/

Thanks for the story. Wow. He needs to be put away somewhere for research. I can't imagine being a cop, and having to attempt to put a guy as big, strong, and psychotic as Incognito in cuffs. No thanks.

[Pappy13]

Thanks for the story. Wow. He needs to be put away somewhere for research. I can't imagine being a cop, and having to attempt to put a guy as big, strong, and psychotic as Incognito in cuffs. No thanks.

Did you read where once Incognito was allowed to cool off he offered his credit card to the funeral home? That's what a good cop does. Defuse the situation, not simply try to arrest the guy.

[ArtieChokePhin]

Thanks for the story. Wow. He needs to be put away somewhere for research. I can't imagine being a cop, and having to attempt to put a guy as big, strong, and psychotic as Incognito in cuffs. No thanks.

You'd need to Taze him and probably more than once.

[stinkfish]

Did you read where once Incognito was allowed to cool off he offered his credit card to the funeral home? That's what a good cop does. Defuse the situation, not simply try to arrest the guy.

Yeah, I noticed that part of the story too. I was speaking more in terms of generalities, but that is a good strategy to make things easier on everybody.

[Dolphster]

In fairness to Incognito, haven't we all at one time or another demanded our dad's head in a funeral home and threatened to shoot the mortician if they didn't comply?     

[masterfins]

He wanted to cut off his deceased father's head after the viewing and when the funeral home refused, he threatened to go to his car and get guns and shoot them.  Nowadays, you just can't say shit like that.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/police-report-richie-incognito-wanted-to-cut-off-his-dead-fathers-head-at-funeral-home/

Geez, somehow I missed this story.  I think the last crazy thing I heard of him doing was taking a bat or hammer to his own vehicle.  This is the type of behavior where government needs to step in and take away all of his guns, and not allow him to purchase any guns due to his mental health status.

[dolphins4life]

I didn't say anything at the time because I was afraid of backlash on the board if I spoke up in defense of Martin.  However, I do remember saying things in his defense after the whole thing went down.

[Spider-Dan]

I didn't say anything at the time because I was afraid of backlash on the board if I spoke up in defense of Martin.

I know what that feels like, because I have a similar experience.

I was the only person on this site who wanted to fire Jeff Ireland.  However, I didn't speak up at the time because I didn't want to be criticized.
But I definitely feel that I should get credit for being the only person in favor of firing him when everyone else on this site was against it.

[ArtieChokePhin]

I know what that feels like, because I have a similar experience.

I was the only person on this site who wanted to fire Jeff Ireland.  However, I didn't speak up at the time because I didn't want to be criticized.
But I definitely feel that I should get credit for being the only person in favor of firing him when everyone else on this site was against it.

When did you want him fired?   IMO, he should've been escorted out the door the year Sparano was fired.   You can't win by forcing shotgun weddings between coaches and GMs.  If you fire your coach and keep your GM (or vice versa), it limits your candidate pool.

[Tenshot13]

I don't think you're picking up what Spider is putting down.

[Dave Gray]

He wanted to cut off his deceased father's head after the viewing and when the funeral home refused, he threatened to go to his car and get guns and shoot them.  Nowadays, you just can't say shit like that.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/police-report-richie-incognito-wanted-to-cut-off-his-dead-fathers-head-at-funeral-home/

Holy shit, man. 

How am I only just hearing about this now?