Brian Flores Suing NY Giants and Maybe the Whole League Over Hiring Process

[Downunder Dolphan]

Well, looks like I misread this badly.

Ross also invested over $17M in a gambling startup in November 2019, right around the same time he was paying his head coach extra to lose games.  This is... not good.

You can make whatever arguments you want about tanking - and many of us have complained that the Dolphins did not tank egregiously enough in 2019 - but when gambling also gets involved, you are in big trouble.  Like, "forced to sell the team"-level trouble.

If there is any kind of paper/money trail that Flores can produce to back up his argument of being paid to lose, this is going to be serious trouble for Ross.

Throw in the accusation that he approached/tried to woo an opposition QB under contract during the season, and it's the cherry on top suggesting he's unfit to be an owner.

Of course all of this requires Flores to be able to prove it - and he'd better hope he gets a big fat $$$ settlement out of this, because after burning all these bridges I doubt he'll be offered a job in the NFL again.

[EDGECRUSHER]

The Rooney Rule was never really useful to begin with.  No more of this forced diversity bullshit.   You hire the man you think is best for the job, regardless of race.  The SCOTUS is about to make a decision whether or not to ban racial considerations on college and job applications.   If that's the case, the Rooney Rule could and should be included in that.

Playing Devil's Advocate here, but if the Giants are somehow found guilty of racial discrimination because of the Rooney Rule, then they might sue the NFL in response and that could be the end of it. After all, they were only doing what they had to do or face a large fine. Going to be very interesting from a legal standpoint.

[pondwater]

Actually, the more you think about it. Ross would have made sure Flores was on board with tanking and losing games before he hired him and during the hiring process. Unless Ross is a very stupid man, surely he wouldn't have done it after a full offseason and after the regular season started. That just doesn't make any sense.

And if that's the case, that means Flores agreed with the tanking plan in order to get hired and was complicit when he was hired. Whether he actually followed through with tanking as a HC is irrelevant. Something isn't passing the smell test with this whole situation.

Edit: IF all of these allegations are true, then Flores, Grier, and Ross should all be punished. Even though Flores is the whistleblower, he stayed on for two additional seasons with no intention of resigning after this season. If he was willing to stay on with the Dolphins, then he was part of the problem and again complicit in the tomfoolery. He could have resigned after 2019 and reported what happened, but he didn’t. Best case scenario is that Flores is a disgruntled liar. Worst case scenario, they're all dirty

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Well, looks like I misread this badly.

Ross also invested over $17M in a gambling startup in November 2019, right around the same time he was paying his head coach extra to lose games.  This is... not good.

You can make whatever arguments you want about tanking - and many of us have complained that the Dolphins did not tank egregiously enough in 2019 - but when gambling also gets involved, you are in big trouble.  Like, "forced to sell the team"-level trouble.

Agree with you up to last sentence.  Like “up to 20 years in a Federal pen” level trouble.

[Downunder Dolphan]

Actually, the more you think about it. Ross would have made sure Flores was on board with tanking and losing games before he hired him and during the hiring process. Unless Ross is a very stupid man, surely he wouldn't have done it after a full offseason and after the regular season started. That just doesn't make any sense.

And if that's the case, that means Flores agreed with the tanking plan in order to get hired and was complicit when he was hired. Whether he actually followed through with tanking as a HC is irrelevant. Something isn't passing the smell test with this whole situation.

Edit: IF all of these allegations are true, then Flores, Grier, and Ross should all be punished. Even though Flores is the whistleblower, he stayed on for two additional seasons with no intention of resigning after this season. If he was willing to stay on with the Dolphins, then he was part of the problem and again complicit in the tomfoolery. He could have resigned after 2019 and reported what happened, but he didn’t. Best case scenario is that Flores is a disgruntled liar. Worst case scenario, they're all dirty

The meaty thing about this though is the Flores accusation that Ross put a price on every thrown game to the tune of $100,000 a pop - so in theory anyone can effectively fix an NFL game by bribing the coach $100,000.  In any sport that is match fixing which is ugly enough in itself. You add this juicy little bit (courtesy of Spidey) and it's way, way beyond that - you are talking about a huge corporate fraud.

Well, looks like I misread this badly.

Ross also invested over $17M in a gambling startup in November 2019, right around the same time he was paying his head coach extra to lose games.  This is... not good.

Flores could well be just an angry employee who burnt his bridges everywhere and is lashing out with all sorts of shotgun bullshit to damage as many people as possible... it's a huge headline now, but if he can't back it up it will go no further and he will disappear from the NFL forever (either richer or poorer)

But if he has some kind of proof and this shit sticks to Ross... I don't care how much money the guy has. I don't think he's Teflon.

[BeanCounter]

If Ross truly was upset that Flores didn’t lose games, then good luck to Grier and Ross in enticing free agents to sign with Miami.  Players want to win, not tank.

[EDGECRUSHER]

It's darkly comical in that when I said back in 2019 if we won games in December, it would hurt the franchise long term. I never would've thought this is it meant in a million years.

We literally have the top pick in the 2020 draft playing in the Superbowl while the owner could be forced to sell the team. All because we had to play Fitzpatrick over Rosen. Very interesting Butterfly Effect.

[CF DolFan]

In this day and age when lawyers can spin doctor pretty much anything unless he has some serious proof of each of these then he's going down hard. I can't see Brady amitting any illegal contact with Ross as it would hurt his legacy and we all know he'a already pissed about deflaye gate.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

In this day and age when lawyers can spin doctor pretty much anything unless he has some serious proof of each of these then he's going down hard. I can't see Brady amitting any illegal contact with Ross as it would hurt his legacy and we all know he'a already pissed about deflaye gate.

Brady can bury Ross without admitting to anything.  “There was an incident in which I thought I was going to meet with some investors regarding TB12 brand and to my surprise the owner of the Dolphins was at that meeting.  He tried to talk me about my impending free agency and I politely told him to contact Don once I was officially available and left.  I notified BB of the encounter and left it to coach to decide if this was worth filing a tampering allegation with the league office.  As best I am aware he choose not to.”

[CF DolFan]

Brady can bury Ross without admitting to anything.  “There was an incident in which I thought I was going to meet with some investors regarding TB12 brand and to my surprise the owner of the Dolphins was at that meeting.  He tried to talk me about my impending free agency and I politely told him to contact Don once I was officially available and left.  I notified BB of the encounter and left it to coach to decide if this was worth filing a tampering allegation with the league office.  As best I am aware he choose not to.”

He would have to want to bury Ross. I can't see him doing it just to save his own butt.  This type of thing is very common and him being a Patriot was a technicality as the season was over but his contract had not run out.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

He would have to want to bury Ross. I can't see him doing it just to save his own butt.  This type of thing is very common and him being a Patriot was a technicality as the season was over but his contract had not run out.

This has the potential to be such a big scandal that when people look back at sports scandals in early 2000s everyone immediately thinks Dolphins and as an after thought there was also a relatively, minor issue with NE in comparison.   I don’t think Brady would mind being in second in this case.  How many people remember that Micheal Jordan announced his comeback on 9/11/01?  It was the top story for almost a half hour that morning then everyone seemed to stop talking about it and talking about something else.

[masterfins]

Now I see why Flores got fired.  He's truly a piece of shit.  He's done in this league now

Sadly I must agree.  Flores is acting like a petulant little child.  I don't see him ever being employed by an NFL team again.

[Spider-Dan]

This has the potential to be such a big scandal that when people look back at sports scandals in early 2000s everyone immediately thinks Dolphins and as an after thought there was also a relatively, minor issue with NE in comparison.

You should make your wishcasting slightly less overt.

Do you also believe that Bountygate was a huge scandal that made everyone forget about the Patriots?

[Phishfan]

I personally think nothing comes of this.

[pondwater]

This has the potential to be such a big scandal

Scandals? You don't have room to talk about scandals. You're just a bit salty since we swept your ass this year and NE will be fighting for scraps like the rest of the bottom feeders.

Just for you Hoodie