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« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2022, 11:47:52 am »

This is pretty telling.   I think Gesicki is done in Miami.

https://twitter.com/DavidFurones_/status/1496587837159972866

He doesn't fit the scheme and the NFL is all about that. Thing is, who do we replace him with? Can we salvage Hunter Long? I'm willing to give everyone a shot since my opinion of Flores and his coaches was so low but I prefer not to "roll the dice" on too many guys in 2022.
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« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2022, 12:19:48 pm »

He doesn't fit the scheme and the NFL is all about that. Thing is, who do we replace him with? Can we salvage Hunter Long? I'm willing to give everyone a shot since my opinion of Flores and his coaches was so low but I prefer not to "roll the dice" on too many guys in 2022.

This is why you sign Gronk to a one or two year deal, and draft a TE.   This draft is chock full of talented TEs.
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« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2022, 12:23:34 pm »

This is why you sign Gronk to a one or two year deal, and draft a TE.   This draft is chock full of talented TEs.

I want Gronk too but he probably wants to play for a "guaranteed" winner and while we can certainly do good things this year, I don't think many peg us as Superbowl favorites. If Rodgers goes to Denver, maybe he will tag along there. The Bucs are done without Brady, he won't be back with them
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« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2022, 01:03:35 pm »

Gesicki is a WR not a TE.  If they want him at WR he stays.  If they see him as a TE he goes.
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« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2022, 01:07:28 pm »

He doesn't fit the scheme and the NFL is all about that. Thing is, who do we replace him with? Can we salvage Hunter Long? I'm willing to give everyone a shot since my opinion of Flores and his coaches was so low but I prefer not to "roll the dice" on too many guys in 2022.
I could be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if Long took a big jump forward this year. Just another Flores fuck up.
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« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2022, 01:29:04 pm »

Gesicki is a WR not a TE.  If they want him at WR he stays.  If they see him as a TE he goes.

I don't think there's any team in the league that will view him as a tight end.  It'll be interesting to see how much attention he gets from other teams because there isn't a single other player in the league I'm aware of that he compares to.  His blocking is poorer than that of virtually every tight end in the league, and the athleticism he offers to offset that isn't in the league of that of the players for whom you could excuse poor blocking (e.g., Darren Waller).  That essentially makes him, again, a slow, lumbering slot receiver, or at best a red zone specialist to whom you throw jump balls.  If he were 20 pounds lighter and therefore faster, you could fashion him into being an Allen Lazard type of WR, but he's too heavy for that, and so again slow and lumbering.

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets scant attention and nowhere near the payday some have envisioned.
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« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2022, 01:38:03 pm »

I don't think there's any team in the league that will view him as a tight end.  It'll be interesting to see how much attention he gets from other teams because there isn't a single other player in the league I'm aware of that he compares to.  His blocking is poorer than that of virtually every tight end in the league, and the athleticism he offers to offset that isn't in the league of that of the players for whom you could excuse poor blocking (e.g., Darren Waller).  That essentially makes him, again, a slow, lumbering slot receiver, or at best a red zone specialist to whom you throw jump balls.  If he were 20 pounds lighter and therefore faster, you could fashion him into being an Allen Lazard type of WR, but he's too heavy for that, and so again slow and lumbering.

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets scant attention and nowhere near the payday some have envisioned.
There are plenty of WRs he compares to speed wise.  Gesicki ran a 4.54 forty yard dash.  Other 4.5 forty (or worse) players include Brandon Marshall, Dez Bryant, Chad Johnson, Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald. 
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« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2022, 01:52:50 pm »

I don't think there's any team in the league that will view him as a tight end.  It'll be interesting to see how much attention he gets from other teams because there isn't a single other player in the league I'm aware of that he compares to.  His blocking is poorer than that of virtually every tight end in the league, and the athleticism he offers to offset that isn't in the league of that of the players for whom you could excuse poor blocking (e.g., Darren Waller).  That essentially makes him, again, a slow, lumbering slot receiver, or at best a red zone specialist to whom you throw jump balls.  If he were 20 pounds lighter and therefore faster, you could fashion him into being an Allen Lazard type of WR, but he's too heavy for that, and so again slow and lumbering.

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets scant attention and nowhere near the payday some have envisioned.

Your analysis of Gesicki seems right. Your analysis on the intelligence of all 32 GMs is not  Evil
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« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2022, 02:07:15 pm »

There are plenty of WRs he compares to speed wise.  Gesicki ran a 4.54 forty yard dash.  Other 4.5 forty (or worse) players include Brandon Marshall, Dez Bryant, Chad Johnson, Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald. 

Right but keep in mind that those are not slot receivers.  I suppose somebody may take a flyer and try to put him out wide like those guys.
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« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2022, 02:34:23 pm »

Right but keep in mind that those are not slot receivers.  I suppose somebody may take a flyer and try to put him out wide like those guys.

He isn't worth keeping if they want to continue to use him as a slot receiver.  If they're going to pay him, he either needs to learn to block or he needs to go out wide.  I doubt he learns to block.
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« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2022, 02:35:48 pm »

Most of the best recieving TEs aren't great blockers. Kittle is an anomly in San Fran. Eve Gronk has lost it when it comes to blocking and he was pretty good. Travis Kelce is a great TE but isn't a "Great" run blocker. It really comes down to how you want to use him. If they want Gesicki to be a "great" run blocker then they won't even think about keeping him. If they want a fantastic 3rd down target then he will stay.
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« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2022, 04:03:54 pm »

Most of the best recieving TEs aren't great blockers. Kittle is an anomly in San Fran. Eve Gronk has lost it when it comes to blocking and he was pretty good. Travis Kelce is a great TE but isn't a "Great" run blocker. It really comes down to how you want to use him. If they want Gesicki to be a "great" run blocker then they won't even think about keeping him. If they want a fantastic 3rd down target then he will stay.

The problem with Gesicki is that he's such a poor run blocker that the opposing team can simply insert an extra DB whenever he's on the field, and Gesicki routinely has trouble blocking even that smaller and weaker player (note the video below).  That erases the matchup advantage created by the tight end.

https://twitter.com/pff_ryansmith/status/1490764026523131906?s=21
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« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2022, 04:12:33 pm »

The problem with Gesicki is that he's such a poor run blocker that the opposing team can simply insert an extra DB whenever he's on the field, and Gesicki routinely has trouble blocking even that smaller and weaker player (note the video below).  That erases the matchup advantage created by the tight end.

https://twitter.com/pff_ryansmith/status/1490764026523131906?s=21

What are our options at TE then?
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« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2022, 07:12:31 pm »

What are our options at TE then?

I say sign Gronk to a two year deal.  The party boy would love to come to Miami.   Then draft a TE for Gronk to mentor
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« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2022, 09:32:07 pm »

Gronk won't play for anybody except Tom Brady
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