Miami Dolphins Cap Space and Moves

[CF DolFan]

The refrain here hasn't been shown to be incorrect.  He's neither been paid like an alpha go-to WR (which would be about double his current $10M) nor been plugged into an inline tight end role.  The team's apparent estimation of his value is no different from the estimations here.

It has aboslutely been incorrect. Many people said he would be gone as the new coach would want a TE who could block and Mike doesn't fit the bill. As it is he is being retained as a high paid TE. The fact you want to try and change his postion to win an argument in semantics doesn't make it a reality. 

[EDGECRUSHER]

I strongly doubt they'd pay him the going franchise tag rate for a WR, which is $18M+.

Very unlikely as well, so hopefully this just buys them time for a new deal. He knows if Miami rescinds the tag, he won't be getting paid $18 Million a year as a WR. His next contract will be a TE contract in terms of money. Hope his agent isn't bullshitting him into thinking he will be getting top WR money in a FA and Draft class loaded with them.

[Dolfanalyst]

It has aboslutely been incorrect. Many people said he would be gone as the new coach would want a TE who could block and Mike doesn't fit the bill. As it is he is being retained as a high paid TE. The fact you want to try and change his postion to win an argument in semantics doesn't make it a reality. 

First, what does "winning" an argument with nobodies on a message board do for anybody?  Is that useful for you personally?

Second, you don't know the capacity in which he's being retained.  He hasn't yet been played at tight end in McDaniel's system, and if he plays predominantly WR as he has previously, he isn't a high-paid one.

[Dolfanalyst]

Very unlikely as well, so hopefully this just buys them time for a new deal. He knows if Miami rescinds the tag, he won't be getting paid $18 Million a year as a WR. His next contract will be a TE contract in terms of money. Hope his agent isn't bullshitting him into thinking he will be getting top WR money in a FA and Draft class loaded with them.

He's using the leverage he can to get the team to ink him to a long-term deal instead of the franchise tag.  It'll be interesting to see whether the team does that or balks at it, if he wins the grievance.  It's still entirely possible he's in a new uniform next year and the team has planned for that eventuality, knowing he would likely file the grievance.  They lose nothing by franchise tagging him and either 1) keeping him at a one-year salary they believe is more befitting his ability, or 2) losing the grievance and rescinding the tag and allowing him to walk in FA.

In other words, franchise tagging Gesicki is hardly a strong testament to the team's investment in him.

[EDGECRUSHER]

^^^

I believe so too. They want him but on their terms. They know he will win the grievance so this is buying them time. I don't know when these get settled either, if it's months from now then it's a huge blow to Gesicki as most teams are settled with money and rosters by then.

[ArtieChokePhin]

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I believe so too. They want him but on their terms. They know he will win the grievance so this is buying them time. I don't know when these get settled either, if it's months from now then it's a huge blow to Gesicki as most teams are settled with money and rosters by then.

What makes you think he will win the grievance? 

[EDGECRUSHER]

What makes you think he will win the grievance? 

The tag is based on what position you played the most in the year. Mike technically lined up as WR more than TE so he has more snaps at that position. Miami really doesn't have much of a case other than prior year's usage. That's why for both parties sake, a deal will very likely be worked out. Miami wants him back and Mike doesn't want to be in limbo waiting for a legal remedy to this while free agency ends and rosters are set. He wants to cash out too, not play under a one year deal.

[fyo]

What makes you think he will win the grievance? 

I quoted the actual wording in the CBA earlier in the thread. The Dolphins have zero chance of winning the grievance.

"The Exclusive Franchise Tender shall be a one year NFL Player Contract for (A) the average
of the five largest Salaries in Player Contracts for that League Year as of the end of the Restricted
Free Agent Signing Period that League Year, as set forth in Article 9, Section 2(e), for players at
the position (within the categories set forth in Section 7(a) below) at which he participated in the
most plays during the prior League Year, or (B) the amount of the Required Tender under
Subsection (a)(i) above, whichever is greater."

(emphasis mine)

Gesicki had 789 snaps for the 2021 season. 438 of those were at slot, 237 out wide.

He's a receiver.

[EDGECRUSHER]

I quoted the actual wording in the CBA earlier in the thread. The Dolphins have zero chance of winning the grievance.

"The Exclusive Franchise Tender shall be a one year NFL Player Contract for (A) the average
of the five largest Salaries in Player Contracts for that League Year as of the end of the Restricted
Free Agent Signing Period that League Year, as set forth in Article 9, Section 2(e), for players at
the position (within the categories set forth in Section 7(a) below) at which he participated in the
most plays during the prior League Year, or (B) the amount of the Required Tender under
Subsection (a)(i) above, whichever is greater."

(emphasis mine)

Gesicki had 789 snaps for the 2021 season. 438 of those were at slot, 237 out wide.

He's a receiver.

Yeah, not really a lot of room for interpretation with this one. He was a receiver and Miami knows that......I hope. Things should work out for both sides.

[Tenshot13]

of the 438 in the slot, is he still on the line of scrimmage where he would be lined up normally as a TE?  There might be a loop hole there where he's still technically lined up as a TE, he's just off the line a bit.  Just a thought.

[CF DolFan]

First, what does "winning" an argument with nobodies on a message board do for anybody?  Is that useful for you personally?

LOL ... might want to look in the mirror there bub and take your own advice. You seem to get your panties in a wad with many people in here.

As for your point it seems like you are saying they value him as a WR and not a TE? At this point I couldn't tell you one way or the other but I do know they value him as a great player.

[Dolfanalyst]

LOL ... might want to look in the mirror there bub and take your own advice. You seem to get your panties in a wad with many people in here.

As for your point it seems like you are saying they value him as a WR and not a TE? At this point I couldn't tell you one way or the other but I do know they value him as a great player.

I'll pass on continuing to talk with you.  Take care.

[Dolfanalyst]

I quoted the actual wording in the CBA earlier in the thread. The Dolphins have zero chance of winning the grievance.

"The Exclusive Franchise Tender shall be a one year NFL Player Contract for (A) the average
of the five largest Salaries in Player Contracts for that League Year as of the end of the Restricted
Free Agent Signing Period that League Year, as set forth in Article 9, Section 2(e), for players at
the position (within the categories set forth in Section 7(a) below) at which he participated in the
most plays during the prior League Year, or (B) the amount of the Required Tender under
Subsection (a)(i) above, whichever is greater."

(emphasis mine)

Gesicki had 789 snaps for the 2021 season. 438 of those were at slot, 237 out wide.

He's a receiver.

I suspect they're taking a flyer on this and are fully prepared to rescind the tag and let him walk when he wins the grievance.

[CF DolFan]

Other than people speculating has anything come out from a seemingly official report that Gesicki was filing a grievance? I can't seem to find anything substantial.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Other than people speculating has anything come out from a seemingly official report that Gesicki was filing a grievance? I can't seem to find anything substantial.

No, but he has time. He probably wants o work out a long term deal before going that route as it could lead to bad blood and both sides really lose. Miami doesn't want to pay him $18 Million as a WR and can rescind the tag and Gesicki might miss out on the free agency fury, especially with Godwin and Adams getting franchised.

I could be wrong on a few dates but a long term deal at a TE salary is best for both parties.