absolutely no probable cause

[Spider-Dan]

CF, what is your opinion on the second volley of shots the cop fired into that car?

[CF DolFan]

CF, your stance is strange.

Cops don't have the authority to just tell you what to do under penalty of death.  I support police, but they don't have a free reign to just take any action they choose.

That's a stretch. It isn't like the officer said you're guilty so I'm going to kill you. Police have the authority to detain you if they have a reason to regardless of if you know or even agree with that reason. If during that detainment they feel threated they have authority to fire in self defense.  History and police training show that when people do not comply with orders in many cases it leads to something bad happening to the officer. this means the officer is on major alert and sometimes they do stupid stuff because of that.  That's why it is best for all of us if I just comply with the cop regardless of if he is an arsehole or not.

CF, what is your opinion on the second volley of shots the cop fired into that car?

The whole thing seems excessive to me but based on other things I've seen I know it's possible I do not know the whole story. My whole argument is people rarely get hurt by following the officers orders but when tensions rise bad things do tend to happen.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

The funny thing is that even how rare these things happens it almost never haens when people follow the directions of the officer.

Funny thing is how rare these incidents are when the police follow training and department policy.  And almost always occur after a cop gives an improper instruction.

Given how dangerous deviations by the police are to the public maybe the solution is make all deviations by the police from official policy a criminal offense.

[CF DolFan]

Funny thing is how rare these incidents are when the police follow training and department policy.  And almost always occur after a cop gives an improper instruction.

Given how dangerous deviations by the police are to the public maybe the solution is make all deviations by the police from official policy a criminal offense.

I disagree. These occurances are rare to begin with and even less rare that the officer is in the wrong. It happens ...  but rarely.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I disagree. These occurances are rare to begin with and even less rare that the officer is in the wrong. It happens ...  but rarely.

Cops are very rarely held responsible, that is NOT the same thing as not being in the wrong.  The police who unjustifyly arrested Michael Jennings should be treated as an ordinary felony kidnapping.  They won't be but that doesn't mean the acted properly.

[Dave Gray]

This is a pretty crazy one: https://twitter.com/dvidnzt1/status/1578415097072189441

Cop opens door on teen eating a cheeseburger in the parking lot, tries to pull him out, immediately starts shooting, including while the guy is driving away.  What the fuck is going on?

[Spider-Dan]

That's the same video we've been talking about for the last page or so.

[Dave Gray]

Oh...lol.

I never actually saw the video until now, which I randomly ran across on twitter.  All of my statements in this thread have been about policing in general.

A cop can only fire his gun to save his life or the life of someone else in immediate peril.  This isn't that.  Firing a car that's leaving you -- what the hell is that?

[CF DolFan]

Oh...lol.

I never actually saw the video until now, which I randomly ran across on twitter.  All of my statements in this thread have been about policing in general.

A cop can only fire his gun to save his life or the life of someone else in immediate peril.  This isn't that.  Firing a car that's leaving you -- what the hell is that?

I honestly don't know much but he was fired pretty much immediately which makes you think he broke several rules/laws. They have submitted the case to a Grand Jury for their consideration in pressing charge against the officer.

[Dave Gray]

^ Even so, if the cop wanted to say that he mistook a hamburger for a loaded gun and shot at the driver, I just don't see any justification for how the cop can continue firing many, many rounds at a car as it's speeding away in the opposite direction.

[CF DolFan]

I can't see how they won't press charges

[Sunstroke]

^ Even so, if the cop wanted to say that he mistook a hamburger for a loaded gun and shot at the driver...

I've had folks tell me on many occasions that  fast food will end up killing me...though I usually thought it was limited to Taco Bell...  

[masterfins]

I honestly don't know much but he was fired pretty much immediately which makes you think he broke several rules/laws. They have submitted the case to a Grand Jury for their consideration in pressing charge against the officer.

I believe he was still a first year officer, so he was technically on probation still, that made it easy to fire him.  If he was a veteran officer then they would have had a tough time firing him, or he could fight it and probably get his job back like many others have.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I disagree. These occurances are rare to begin with and even less rare that the officer is in the wrong. It happens ...  but rarely.

This video is a perfect example of why the fact that very rarely is the police officer found to be wrong means the exact opposite of what you claim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6263LFJfuc

The police officers actions were criminal yet he was deemed to be justified.

[Dave Gray]

I will say this about interactions with police officers:

I don't think it's right for people in the public to be dicks to the police for no reason.  It doesn't give the cops the right to beat on you or shoot you, but in general, there are ways to refuse unlawful orders without being an asshole or combative.

An interaction with police from both sides should be professional.