Tua in concussion protocol

[EDGECRUSHER]

No one had a clue he was hurt until he self-reported symptoms.

That's kind of my point. Why didn't the medical staff have a clue he was hurt after that hit? You and I wouldn't know, we're not trained professionals and can only see what the TV shows us. They are right there with him and know his history and saw his head just bang off the field. Did they even check him? If so, how did he pass the concussion tests if he did in fact have a concussion?

[Spider-Dan]

They aren't taking players out of the game any time their helmet hits the ground, especially if they don't have outward symptoms.
You are essentially asking for the week 5 Teddy debacle to be standard practice in the league.  It's just not gonna happen.

[EDGECRUSHER]

I wouldn't want them to take Tua out of the game, but I would want them to at least check in on the guy to make sure he is okay. Of course, if just checking on him makes him disqualified from staying in the game due to new NFL rules, then that complicates things a lot more.

[Pappy13]

No one had a clue he was hurt until he self-reported symptoms.

Actually he didn't self report symptoms, McDaniels said that while reviewing the game on Monday that he didn't like some of the responses he was getting from Tua about plays and such and then asked him how he was feeling and then finally Tua admitted to the symptoms of concussion. That 2nd INT where after the game Tua said he may have called the wrong play is very telling now. He was confused at that point in the game with the play calling. Both of the last 2 INT's were both like WTF? The first INT just seemed to be an overthrow, the last 2 were definitely really bad reads and he shouldn't have been in the game.

Tua needs to grow up. If he's confused in there he needs to take himself out of the game and get checked out. He's not helping us if he's not at 100%. This has been a very bad pattern of trying to take on too much himself. He's not super human. He needs to realize this and remove himself from the game when he's injured for the betterment of the team.

And that's not just about concussions, it's about plays in general. He doesn't know when to give up on plays either. There was another throw that was almost picked off where he sort of tried to back hand the throw to a running back while he was being tackled. These are BAD plays that he needs to learn how to avoid. Just go down. Stop trying to make something out of nothing. He's been lucky 4 or 5 times this year with that type of just throw it up and hope something good happens and nothing ever good does happen.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Actually he didn't self report symptoms, McDaniels said that while reviewing the game on Monday that he didn't like some of the responses he was getting from Tua about plays and such and then asked him how he was feeling and then finally Tua admitted to the symptoms of concussion. That 2nd INT where after the game Tua said he may have called the wrong play is very telling now. He was confused at that point in the game with the play calling. Both of the last 2 INT's were both like WTF? The first INT just seemed to be an overthrow, the last 2 were definitely really bad reads and he shouldn't have been in the game.

Tua needs to grow up. If he's confused in there he needs to take himself out of the game and get checked out. He's not helping us if he's not at 100%. This has been a very bad pattern of trying to take on too much himself. He's not super human. He needs to realize this and remove himself from the game when he's injured for the betterment of the team.

And that's not just about concussions, it's about plays in general. He doesn't know when to give up on plays either. There was another throw that was almost picked off where he sort of tried to back hand the throw to a running back while he was being tackled. These are BAD plays that he needs to learn how to avoid. Just go down. Stop trying to make something out of nothing. He's been lucky 4 or 5 times this year with that type of just throw it up and hope something good happens and nothing ever good does happen.

You are 100% right about this. Tua has some emotional issues in that he always had coaches who were hard on him and Flores flat out hated him and wanted him gone. So, he very much wants to prove to everyone he is the best and that's great, but that is what leads him to refusing to take the small losses like "The play is dead, throw it away" or "You're hurt, go tell the Doctors". In almost every case, what he does makes things much worse and it costs him and the team.

I think the offseason can't come soon enough. He needs to have a lot of time off and have these issues addressed by the coaching staff and maybe even a therapist. He didn't learn from his first major concussion and that is alarming to me. Forget about throwing away what could be a Hall of Fame career, the guy might develop early onset dementia with more concussions. No one wants him to retire at 27.

[Pappy13]

Tua says all the right stuff in interviews, but it doesn't carry over into the game. He gets into the game and his whole mindset changes and suddenly he's trying to carry the team. A more mature QB would realize that he's just a piece of the puzzle. Yeah, he's a big piece, but he's not the only piece and because he's a big piece he needs to be the smartest piece on the field, not the dumbest.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Tua was absent from team meetings today. I know that he won't be playing Sunday, but he probably still would've been to the team meeting unless he was in bad shape or Coach told him that his season is over already.

[dolphins4life]

Tua says all the right stuff in interviews, but it doesn't carry over into the game. He gets into the game and his whole mindset changes and suddenly he's trying to carry the team. A more mature QB would realize that he's just a piece of the puzzle. Yeah, he's a big piece, but he's not the only piece and because he's a big piece he needs to be the smartest piece on the field, not the dummest.

Like I said earlier, he’s under too much pressure.  He feels he has to get a touchdown every drive

[EDGECRUSHER]

League and NFLPA has ruled that the team did nothing wrong in regards to Tua. He did not show any concussion symptoms and Tua did not report any.

I still say Tua hid this from the team doctors but it's good that the team didn't act maliciously in letting him play.

[CF DolFan]

I still say Tua hid this from the team doctors but it's good that the team didn't act maliciously in letting him play.

Spoken like a guy who has never had a concussion. Depending on the severity of the concussion it may just be a brain fog like disorder. I come from a day when they gave us smelling salts, made fun of us, and then sent us back in the game. As a result I used to develop similar side affects from jumping on trampolines or even riding roller coasters. No one else knows unless you tell them. Btw … I no longer do those kind of activities as it takes me a week to recover.

Coach said he got worried when Tua couldn’t remember aspects of his game the previous day as they watched film … which sounds very similar.

[bsmooth]

Tua says all the right stuff in interviews, but it doesn't carry over into the game. He gets into the game and his whole mindset changes and suddenly he's trying to carry the team. A more mature QB would realize that he's just a piece of the puzzle. Yeah, he's a big piece, but he's not the only piece and because he's a big piece he needs to be the smartest piece on the field, not the dumbest.

You mean like HoF QBs or other franchise QBs who played through pain and risked further injuries? This game has been built up on the warrior or tough mentality that you play through the.pain. Fans have reversed "tuff" players for decades. Tua is just following well established precedence.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Spoken like a guy who has never had a concussion. Depending on the severity of the concussion it may just be a brain fog like disorder. I come from a day when they gave us smelling salts, made fun of us, and then sent us back in the game. As a result I used to develop similar side affects from jumping on trampolines or even riding roller coasters. No one else knows unless you tell them. Btw … I no longer do those kind of activities as it takes me a week to recover.

Coach said he got worried when Tua couldn’t remember aspects of his game the previous day as they watched film … which sounds very similar.

I've had 2 concussions before. I just don't take Tua's word for it anymore based on what he has done this season. Tries to win the Superbowl on every play and it has cost him dearly.

[Pappy13]

You mean like HoF QBs or other franchise QBs who played through pain and risked further injuries? This game has been built up on the warrior or tough mentality that you play through the.pain. Fans have reversed "tuff" players for decades. Tua is just following well established precedence.

And yet somehow I would actually appreciate Tua more if he did the smart thing and didn't let ego or just following established precedence rule him. It's no secret that I never wanted Tua on the Dolphins but now that he's the best QB we got, I'd actually like to see him be able to play for a few years. Sadly, I don't think it will happen. This is one of the reasons why I didn't want Miami to take him.

[CF DolFan]

I've had 2 concussions before. I just don't take Tua's word for it anymore based on what he has done this season. Tries to win the Superbowl on every play and it has cost him dearly.

He does try to do too much but you have to admit ... the guy gets more criticism than any player we've ever had. It' so bad that when news is slow questioning Tua become a national story on ESPN shows. It's crazy. It seem like he is always trying to quiet the haters and it gets him inot trouble ... not unlike a lot of other QBs trying to make it along the way.

[EDGECRUSHER]

He does try to do too much but you have to admit ... the guy gets more criticism than any player we've ever had. It' so bad that when news is slow questioning Tua become a national story on ESPN shows. It's crazy. It seem like he is always trying to quiet the haters and it gets him inot trouble ... not unlike a lot of other QBs trying to make it along the way.

Oh, 100%. We went from "Tank for Tua" to the injury that had Burrow replacing him as #1. Then 2 years of Flores trying to bury him to this year with 2 concussions and MVP level play. Non stop news stories for the media to grab onto. It won't stop until he wins MVP and Superbowl MVP in the same season.