Sean Payton and Saints Trade Demands

[EDGECRUSHER]

Not only is Sean Payton himself seeking between $20-25 Million a year to coach a team, but the Saints consider two 1st rounders the starting point for negotiations.

Sean is a very nice Head Coach, but he also had a Hall of Famer at QB and only won one Superbowl. The current highest is Bill Belichick as HC/GM at $20 Million and then Pete Carroll at $15 Million. Both of these demands are absolutely ludicrous and will never come to fruition. So, either they both drop their demands substantially or Sean has to ride out his Saints contract for 3 more years.

[Dave Gray]

This whole thing is dumb.  I wouldn't trade a McChicken for him.

[Spider-Dan]

If you are an owner and you are balking at the contract numbers for a head coach - which does not count against the cap - you are in the wrong business.  Sell your team and go open a chain of Subways.

As far as trade value: Jon Gruden, with zero championships, was traded from OAK to TB for two firsts and two seconds.  Belichick was traded from NYJ to NE for a first, a fourth, and a fifth.  Parcells was traded from NE to NYJ for a first, a second, a third, and a fourth.  I don't think two firsts for Payton is unreasonable.

[EDGECRUSHER]

If you are an owner and you are balking at the contract numbers for a head coach - which does not count against the cap - you are in the wrong business.  Sell your team and go open a chain of Subways.

As far as trade value: Jon Gruden, with zero championships, was traded from OAK to TB for two firsts and two seconds.  Belichick was traded from NYJ to NE for a first, a fourth, and a fifth.  Parcells was traded from NE to NYJ for a first, a second, a third, and a fourth.  I don't think two firsts for Payton is unreasonable.

I absolutely agree about owners needing to pay up for winning teams, but I also know that they are discreetly or upfront colluding together. The other 31 owners will not be very happy if you blow away the salary structure for coaches by $10 Million a year. Assuming Payton gets $25 Million and I'm not counting Belichick because he is the GM too.

As far as the compensation goes, no team that is close to contending would trade for him. That only leaves the mediocre or bad teams and they need all the picks they can get. It is 100% possible they trade that much for him anyway, but the combo of the salary and trade copmpensation makes a deal in this range unlikely.

[CF DolFan]

Sean is a very nice Head Coach, but he also had a Hall of Famer at QB and only won one Superbowl.

The funny thing was Drew Brees was just another failed draft pick until he played for Sean. I have no idea if he will be successful but if I was a team trapped in no playoff hell he would be interesting to look at.

[EDGECRUSHER]

The funny thing was Drew Brees was just another failed draft pick until he played for Sean. I have no idea if he will be successful but if I was a team trapped in no playoff hell he would be interesting to look at.

There are probably lots of teams who would want him in theory, but where would he go? Harbaugh and Klingsbury removed themselves from consideration because the pool is so low this year for available jobs and they're not really desirable.

-Denver is intriguing, but they have little draft picks and if Wilson is washed, the team is doomed.
-Cardinals can perhaps turn it around quickly if Kyler Murray gets his shit together, but I don't know their cap or draft situation.
-Texans are a talentless disaster but have the #2 pick. No way in hell are they trading that away.
-Colts in a similar situation, no QB.
-Panthers have no QB and but the 9th overall pick which is high to trade for a coach.

Just a bad year for Payton to be available. The money MIGHT be possible, but not with the draft compensation. None of those teams are in any position to trade away multiple first rounders with their current rosters.

[CF DolFan]

There are probably lots of teams who would want him in theory, but where would he go? Harbaugh and Klingsbury removed themselves from consideration because the pool is so low this year for available jobs and they're not really desirable.

There are only 32 of them in the world. I don't know that any are undesireable to those who are in the business.

[EDGECRUSHER]

There are only 32 of them in the world. I don't know that any are undesireable to those who are in the business.

Harbaugh would be in the NFL right now if he found any of those jobs desirable. It's not that they aren't desirable to a Coordinator who would be grateful for any chance to become a Head Coach. They're undesirable to the top names who know they can wait until next year for better options as there almost are. The Colts owner is insane and is about to rehire Jeff Saturday and his 1-7 interim record, even though he wasn't nearly as good as that record indicates. That is not a desirable job, especially with no QB.

You will see Harbaugh and Klingsbury resurface next year in HC searches. Payton too as I just don't think any team is a fit for him right now.

[Fau Teixeira]

I think Sean Peyton holds the cards here, what's preventing him from showing up in NO and saying, "i'm un-retiring. i'm your head coach under contract, where's my team?"

NO can either fire him at that point or pay 2 head coaches at the same time

[EDGECRUSHER]

I think Sean Peyton holds the cards here, what's preventing him from showing up in NO and saying, "i'm un-retiring. i'm your head coach under contract, where's my team?"

NO can either fire him at that point or pay 2 head coaches at the same time

That's the other part of the equation. The Saints right now are crap with no QB and no 1st rounder, Sean Payton won't be doing anything for that team. The Saints can get back one 1st rounder, but if they try to get multiple picks and hurt the team he is about to join, then why would Payton go there? Like you said, he will just come back and be the Head Coach or the team pays him millions of dollars to stay home. Fairly certain he can't be traded without his permission.

They have no real leverage.

[dolphins4life]

We don't have any first round picks to offer them anyway.

So what's going on here?

Is he under contract with the Saints?

I thought when a coach gets fired, he gets all the money left on his contract because his contract is over.  

[Dave Gray]

Why would a coach want to give away his draft picks before going to a job?  Shouldn't he just play hardball? 

[Spider-Dan]

Payton wasn't fired by the Saints; he retired.  As I understand it, that means two things:

1) Payton doesn't get paid
2) If Payton un-retires, NO still has his rights for 3 more years (and would need to resume his salary to keep those rights)

[Dave Gray]

Can't Payton unretire and force their hand after they have a new guy and a new system?  I guess he'd have to be willing to coach the Saints for 3 years.  But he could make it absolutely clear that he had no intention of continuing past those 3 years.

I doubt the Saints would want that deal.

[Sunstroke]

This whole thing is dumb.  I wouldn't trade a McChicken for him.

Yes...THIS!!