Superbowl

[Pappy13]

I think a conspiracy would be all the refs getting together for a point shaving scandal or something. I just think some human beings are taking opportunities to make money. Certainly possible they are just dumb or have a personal bias, but never discount money.

Fair enough. It could happen. I don't think it does very often if ever.

[Spider-Dan]

If you score a TD on third down, PHI gets the ball back down 7 with ~50 seconds left.
By kicking a FG, PHI got the ball back down 3 with 6 seconds left.
The second scenario is FAR superior to the first for KC.

Yes, you can miss the FG (in which case the game goes to OT).  You can also have a turnover by trying to punch it in (which can potentially cost you the game in regulation).  Every choice carries some risk.

[Spider-Dan]

League-wide conspiracies would never, ever be worth it.  It's dumb.

Whatever benefit you think a league may be gaining from these various conspiracies is definitely not worth the penalty if this conspiracy is uncovered: that league ceases to exist.  Seriously, if the NFL were found to be orchestrating the outcome of games at a league level, that would be the end of the NFL.

[dolphins4life]

Nobody is arguing that there wasn't a jersey grab, the argument is that it was not enough to warrant a penalty.

That's my feeling.  It didn't really restrict his route all that much.  X does FAR worse than that all the time and never gets flagged. \

Edit:  Before this post, I'd only seen the replay that doesn't show the jersey grab.

Again, I've seen FAR worse not called many times.

[fyo]

That's a whole nother story. With all the money floating around it's rediculous that any NFL surface be this bad let alone the Super Bowl. No excuse IMO. 

Hey, they spent 2 YEARS cultivating that turf just for a week of use. In retrospect, maybe the NFL shouldn't have gone with turf developed specifically for golf?

(And this was all on the NFL, by the way, and not the Cards or their ground keeper.)

https://twitter.com/okstate/status/1624918439381942279?s=20&t=GNAlBD2G2GtH8spnt4oSeg

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35625308/super-bowl-2023-experimental-grass

Yeah, that gloating did not age well.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Grabbing a jersey is a bright line hold.  Absolutely no reason to make it complicated.

[Pappy13]

Hey, they spent 2 YEARS cultivating that turf just for a week of use. In retrospect, maybe the NFL shouldn't have gone with turf developed specifically for golf?

Perhaps the teams just need to figure out the right cleats to use? I don't really know anything about the grass or the cleats the teams were using, but they can make a BIG difference and sometimes you have to find the right ones.

[dolphins4life]

Grabbing a jersey is a bright line hold.  Absolutely no reason to make it complicated.

Not always.  MANY jersey grabs are not called.

[Pappy13]

If you score a TD on third down, PHI gets the ball back down 7 with ~50 seconds left.
By kicking a FG, PHI got the ball back down 3 with 6 seconds left.
The second scenario is FAR superior to the first for KC.

Speaking of which I liked what Philly tried to do on the last play. I absolutely hate that stupid multi lateral play that almost never works. Too bad that Hurts doesn't really have the arm for it, but what you're really hoping for there is a pass interference penalty where the game can't end and you might have either a chance at a FG or another hail mary into the endzone.

[masterfins]

Speaking of which I liked what Philly tried to do on the last play. I absolutely hate that stupid multi lateral play that almost never works. Too bad that Hurts doesn't really have the arm for it, but what you're really hoping for there is a pass interference penalty where the game can't end and you might have either a chance at a FG or another hail mary into the endzone.

Who has a better arm, Tua or Hurts?  That pass was severely underthrown; you would think someone on Philly would know how far he could throw the ball. lol

[masterfins]

The field conditions were bad.

Seems to me it would have been smarter of the NFL to install that field at the start of the season, as opposed to laying it down four weeks before the game.

[masterfins]

IMO pass interference calls should just be 10 yard penalties with automatic first down; unless there is an egregious penalty (like tackling the guy before the ball even gets there).

[Spider-Dan]

IMO pass interference calls should just be 10 yard penalties with automatic first down; unless there is an egregious penalty (like tackling the guy before the ball even gets there).

I think "casual pass interference" vs "severe pass interference" just makes the problem worse.

We already have defensive holding vs. pass interference depending on whether the ball is in the air.  I think that's good enough.

[dolphins4life]

Skip Bayless disagreed with the call on his show

[DenverFinFan]

I think "casual pass interference" vs "severe pass interference" just makes the problem worse.

We already have defensive holding vs. pass interference depending on whether the ball is in the air.  I think that's good enough.

Mmhm. I think the automatic first down on dholding should be changed and just a 10 for PI