Florida takes action against squatters

[Fau Teixeira]

I think that owning multiple houses is fine, if you can afford it, then by all means, go for it.

What I think SHOULD happen is that you get taxed rate x for your 1st property, and rate a,b,c for properties 2,3,4 and it should be increasingly higher. You have the right to buy as many properties as you want, but you are the cause of an imbalance in land use, and the government should levy taxes to help offset that imbalance. Use the funds to subsidize housing.

This rule should also apply to corporations who's business is rental properties, let them pay increasingly large taxes for each consecutive property they own.

And on a more realistic approach, the use of companies like RealPage should be banned. It's purely an anti-competitive monopolistic network that works to artificially set rental rates across wide areas.

[CF DolFan]

You don’t understand the mindset of increasing the equitable distribution of wealth?  It has been promoted by many including Jesus, Ghandi, Marx, FDR, LBJ, and Warren Buffet among others.

The core problem that creates the “squatter” condition is a lack of affordable housing.  The fact that there is so many dwelling sitting vacant, contributes to the lack of affordable housing.

I fundamentally don’t have a problem with stealing necessities of survival from those with abundance.  A hungry person shopping lifting food is a crime but not morally wrong. Nor is a parent shoplifting cough syrup for a sick child.  Likewise a homeless person taking shelter in an unoccupied building is illegal but not immoral.

You are looking at this from a victim mentality so all you are doing is looking for reasons not to succeed. There is a huge reason minorities who have nothing come to this country and flourish. For all it's faults this is still the land of opportunity and many poor with nothing succeed all the time. They take advantage of all the opportunities instead of begging for people to give them something for doing nothing. If we turn this into a communist country that will no longer be the case. Everyone will be poor.  

There is a local guy running for the Florida House. He is Chinese and his parents forced him to come here and never return. He now owns 9 grocery stores but I'm guessing you think he should give some of them away. There are tons of stories just like that of people coming here and bypassing all off the victims of the evil USA.  https://www.electbowen.com/

By the way I love when you guys invoke Jesus's name to prove your point (wrongly I might add) because it just emphasis how much you need to get to know Him. There are over 2300 versus in the Bible dealing with money and possessions if you really are interested.


 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

By the way I love when you guys invoke Jesus's name to prove your point (wrongly I might add) because it just emphasis how much you need to get to know Him. There are over 2300 versus in the Bible dealing with money and possessions if you really are interested.
 

And not a single one of those verses, if read honestly, supports the idea that it is acceptable that some people have multiple vacant residences while others are homeless. 

No honest reading of the bible supports the idea that Jesus would support capitalism, 2A rights, a closed boarder immigration policy, profit based healthcare, ostracizing homosexuals, scapegoating the poor, or a large military.  Jesus wasn’t a Republican.  He wouldn’t be a Democrat  either.  He would be to the left of the Green Party. 

[Downunder Dolphan]

No honest reading of the bible supports the idea that Jesus would support capitalism, 2A rights, a closed boarder immigration policy, profit based healthcare, ostracizing homosexuals, scapegoating the poor, or a large military.  Jesus wasn’t a Republican.  He wouldn’t be a Democrat  either.  He would be to the left of the Green Party. 

Jesus would come back and see how fucked up this world has become and wipe it all out.. you are familiar with Revelations?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Jesus would come back and see how fucked up this world has become and wipe it all out.. you are familiar with Revelations?

Revelations did not come from Jesus.  It is in many versions new testament but it is not the teachings of Jesus.  There is no evidence that the author ever met Jesus.

Focus on what Jesus actually said and did.

[Dave Gray]

I think that a lot of this is a fundamental difference between how the right and the left look at issues.

With every situation, some people will be helped, others will exploit that help.
I tend to focus on those getting the help.  I feel like others tend to focus on the few that will exploit it and that inherent unfairness.

[bsmooth]

You are looking at this from a victim mentality so all you are doing is looking for reasons not to succeed. There is a huge reason minorities who have nothing come to this country and flourish. For all it's faults this is still the land of opportunity and many poor with nothing succeed all the time. They take advantage of all the opportunities instead of begging for people to give them something for doing nothing. If we turn this into a communist country that will no longer be the case. Everyone will be poor.  

There is a local guy running for the Florida House. He is Chinese and his parents forced him to come here and never return. He now owns 9 grocery stores but I'm guessing you think he should give some of them away. There are tons of stories just like that of people coming here and bypassing all off the victims of the evil USA.  https://www.electbowen.com/

By the way I love when you guys invoke Jesus's name to prove your point (wrongly I might add) because it just emphasis how much you need to get to know Him. There are over 2300 versus in the Bible dealing with money and possessions if you really are interested.


 

Lol, at least correctly quote your anecdotal evidence correctly.  He was never forced to come to the US by his parents. He came over on a F1 visa and was going to return for school, even if the alleged persecution actually happened. His parents suggested he not return back to China after finishing school. By the way, a larger percentage of F1 visa recipients never return to their native countries whether they finish school or not.
Also, your use of communism emphasizes how.much you need to get to know the difference between socialism, communism,  and authoritarianism (which China is).

[CF DolFan]

And not a single one of those verses, if read honestly, supports the idea that it is acceptable that some people have multiple vacant residences while others are homeless. 

No honest reading of the bible supports the idea that Jesus would support capitalism, 2A rights, a closed boarder immigration policy, profit based healthcare, ostracizing homosexuals, scapegoating the poor, or a large military.  Jesus wasn’t a Republican.  He wouldn’t be a Democrat  either.  He would be to the left of the Green Party. 

That's exactly what I mean. You have absolutely no clue what the Bible says and it's kind of funny.
John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Jesus supports a Heaven where only those who follow Him are granted entrance. That's a huge wall to keep out non citizens. 

In 2 Thessalonians 3:9-14 He makes it clear the lazy deserve nothing and we aren't to even associate with them.

9 We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.” 11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies.11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13 And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good. 14 Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 

[CF DolFan]

Lol, at least correctly quote your anecdotal evidence correctly.  He was never forced to come to the US by his parents. He came over on a F1 visa and was going to return for school, even if the alleged persecution actually happened. His parents suggested he not return back to China after finishing school. By the way, a larger percentage of F1 visa recipients never return to their native countries whether they finish school or not.
Also, your use of communism emphasizes how.much you need to get to know the difference between socialism, communism,  and authoritarianism (which China is).

It's all the same result regardless off whatever name you like. You can't take from people and give it togethers and the people at the top making decisions not get heavily compensated.

As far a Bowen Kou ... I hadn't read that on that page but have seen him talk about it before. He and his father spent 2 weeks in jail for having a Bible and his parents demanded he not come back according to him. He also talked about how hard it was to know that would be the last time he would see them. 

[CF DolFan]

I think that a lot of this is a fundamental difference between how the right and the left look at issues.

With every situation, some people will be helped, others will exploit that help.
I tend to focus on those getting the help.  I feel like others tend to focus on the few that will exploit it and that inherent unfairness.

I don't mind helping people, as most conservatives do not. It's the free handouts that rub us the wrong way. Christians and Christian organizations are the biggest volunteers helping the needy in this country. Conservative just dislike people who don't want to help themselves.

A republican is more inclined to want to help train people to work than to give them free money and other gifts. Not that some people don't need help on the interim but if you are in the same circumstances a year later you kind of have to look at yourself. I pretty much don't know any company not looking to hire and according tot he news that isn't uncommon. My wife and some of her other former coworkers worked as waitresses after losing 6 figure jobs until they could find something more accommodating. It's embarrassing and can be humiliating but it's a job.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Nice myth, but utterly false.

Jesus have out free handouts.  I know that many Christians think the line “give a man a fish and …” is biblical teachings, it is not.  Jesus gave people fish. 

Churches do relatively little charity.  Many shelters run churches aren’t actually charities but profit centers for the church on state contracts. 

As for Republicans supporting training.  Name one time Republicans tried to increase funding for job training, tuition support,etc.  They talk about job training when cutting direct support but they also support cutting all training and education programs.

 

[Spider-Dan]

That's exactly what I mean. You have absolutely no clue what the Bible says and it's kind of funny.
John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Jesus supports a Heaven where only those who follow Him are granted entrance. That's a huge wall to keep out non citizens.

It's incredibly ironic that you use this as a rationalization for keeping out immigrants, given that the terms of acquiring "citizenship" for heaven are simply to accept Jesus as your lord and savior.  A truly Christian immigration/border policy would allow anyone in who wants to become an American, as long as you're willing to take the Pledge of Allegiance.

I don't mind helping people, as most conservatives do not. It's the free handouts that rub us the wrong way. Christians and Christian organizations are the biggest volunteers helping the needy in this country. Conservative just dislike people who don't want to help themselves.

A republican is more inclined to want to help train people to work than to give them free money and other gifts. Not that some people don't need help on the interim but if you are in the same circumstances a year later you kind of have to look at yourself.

As I have mentioned countless times on these forums, the largest recipients (by far) of government assistance are the elderly, the disabled, and families with children.

Indeed, the problem is precisely that Republicans would rather repeal laws banning child labor than give kids food for free.  That's a pretty twisted sense of "personal responsibility."

[Dave Gray]

CF, I believe you when you say that you don't mind helping people.

But as for the Republican party, it may be true that they are MORE LIKELY to teach a man to fish than to give a man a fish, let's just be real -- they're doing neither.  Republicans never support anything like teaching a man to fish, ever.  Meanwhile, they overfish the lake so there's not enough fish for everyone else, to stick with the analogy.

[Phishfan]

So this law just took effect and we know a little more. It doesn't look like Dave's nephew would be affected atall. A squatter must have unlawfully entered the property, cannot be a current or former tenant,  and cannot be an immediate relative of the homeowner.

[Dave Gray]

So this law just took effect and we know a little more. It doesn't look like Dave's nephew would be affected atall. A squatter must have unlawfully entered the property, cannot be a current or former tenant,  and cannot be an immediate relative of the homeowner.

What constitutes a tenant?

My nephew probably didn't have a signed lease, as it was his wife's step-Dad.