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« on: July 03, 2024, 01:16:14 pm »

Would you vote for her? Personally I would take Kamala Harris over Biden right now, but I'm not sure the rest of the Democratic party feels that way.
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2024, 02:28:02 pm »

i would take a literally any sane person with any shred of morals over trump.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2024, 07:18:58 pm »

I doubt it would change anything.  Biden doesn't exactly have a huge fan club.  Basically Biden's number one selling point is "NOT Trump"  If you replace Biden with Harris or anyone else it doesn't change the fact that they are not Trump. 
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2024, 08:06:38 pm »

Someone in the Biden campaign needs to start cutting videos of every deranged senile moment Trump has had on the campaign trail, like how he keeps calling Biden "Obama", or how he said Nikki Haley was in charge of the Capitol on Jan 6, or how he said Biden is going to cause World War II.

Every single question about Biden's mental fitness needs to be responded to with a question about why Trump talking about being electrocuted or eaten by sharks isn't getting this kind of coverage.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2024, 08:55:54 pm »

Would you vote for her? Personally I would take Kamala Harris over Biden right now, but I'm not sure the rest of the Democratic party feels that way.

I would definitely vote for Kamala over Biden (and over Trump).
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2024, 01:00:34 am »

i would take a literally any sane person with any shred of morals over trump.

This...exactly and emphatically.


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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2024, 10:58:34 am »

I think the egos involved are too large, but the correct move for the country is for Biden to resign the presidency, then for Kamala to run as a pseudo-incumbent.  Whether she's my favorite of the choices doesn't really matter, as her path in terms of support and money and staff is so much clearer than an outside candidate.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2024, 04:17:47 pm »

Even if he decides to drop out of the race (which he should not), Biden definitely shouldn't resign the presidency.  Harris will be busy campaigning, and he can continue to do the job he has been doing just fine for the last 3.5 years.  Dropping the presidency on her during the middle of a campaign would not help.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2024, 05:19:50 pm »

I have been happy with the Biden presidency.  Very much so, in fact.

However, we saw something at that debate that wasn't normal.  If he's dropping out of the race because he isn't there, mentally, it would seem logical that he also shouldn't be running the country.  It would be better for Harris, also.

Look, I am happy with Joe Biden, but I don't OWE Joe Biden.  If he can't do the job because he's old and having memory loss or whatever, I understand -- go.  Be old.  Have a wonderful life and thank you for your service.  But I'm not concerned about his legacy or any of that.  I want someone in the chair who can handle their business and from what I saw, he was unable to speak, which is, frankly, not acceptable.

He is too old.

He was too old 4 years ago.

He was too old 15 years ago.

I just want what's best for the country.  Trump is a clear and present danger to democracy, so whatever it takes to beat that back, do it.  But after what I saw at that debate, I can't say that Biden is the best person to take that on.  Can you imagine 4 years of that past now?
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2024, 12:50:43 am »

The double standard here is wild.  Again, when Trump talks about Biden causing World War II, no one cares.

This is But Her E-mails all over again: everyone was pretending that we care about best practices in information security because that's the story the media ran with, and the day the election was over, no one gave a shit about it any more.  For four years, Trump ran around with an unsecured, off-the-shelf iPhone while Jared and Ivanka used Gmail to conduct international diplomacy, and not a peep was heard.  But Hillary had a private e-mail server and can we really trust her with the nation's secrets?

None of the people clutching their pearls about Biden's debate performance have the slightest thing to say about Biden's competency in his actual job performance.  None of the media had anywhere near this level of concern when Trump was unable to tell the difference between Nancy Pelosi and Nikki Haley, or Joe Biden and Barack Obama.  But the moment Biden stumbles and bumbles through ONE debate, he needs to be promptly removed from office?

Dave, the difference between the left and the right is that when their guy catches 34 felony convictions, their response is, "What do I think about it? Fuck you, that's what I think. Trump 2024," while the left sees Biden have one bad debate and our response is "HE MUST DROP OUT AND RESIGN FROM OFFICE IMMEDIATELY."

You think Biden dropping out and resigning will make this better, but it will make things far worse.  The media will turn into a non-stop circus about the collapse of the Biden campaign and How Democrats conspired to hide Biden from the public, and it will be the only thing we see until November. You cannot satisfy fake concerns manufactured by the media to sell a horse race; the only viable path forward is for Democrats to hammer Trump on all the incoherent senile nonsense he regularly says at his rallies, and ask the media why they don't pursue the same "mental fitness" angle with Trump.

At some point you have to grow a spine.
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2024, 11:24:23 am »

Although Biden definitely shows signs of decline, but even if the ONLY issue was cognitive ability Biden is more qualified than the guy who thinks Obama is president and that George Washington siezed the airports.
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2024, 12:01:51 pm »

Although Biden definitely shows signs of decline, but even if the ONLY issue was cognitive ability Biden is more qualified than the guy who thinks Obama is president and that George Washington siezed the airports.

The argument isn't about Biden vs. Trump.  It's about the promise of replacing Biden vs. Trump.

Or it's about, even if we beat Trump, why have we chosen to put someone to lead the country for four years that doesn't have all his scruples today?  ...not to mention what he's going to look years down the line.

I feel like I'm being asked to ignore what my eyes are seeing, which is that the person who I support isn't able to fully do the job.  Even though I'm happy with many parts of his administration and am very happy with the accomplishments, communicating confidence to the American people is a portion of that job and in that regard, he gets an F-. 
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2024, 01:17:53 pm »

The primaries are over. The nominees are Biden and Trump.  Somebody could have challenged Biden beforehand but not now.

I am not really worried if an increasing number of decisions are made by staff.  The most important decisions Biden or any president makes occur between the election and taking office -- the choosing of cabinet and staff. 

Ronald Reagan was not in charge during his second term and while I am not a fan of his administration there isn't a single thing I can think of where I think it mattered.  His staff had the same thinking.

The whole concern about Biden when he has better cognitive than Trump is hypocricy.
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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2024, 02:03:29 pm »

It isn't someone challenging Biden.  This is about whether Biden and his team and his advisors are willing to step aside for the betterment of the country.

I foresee that he is not fully capable of carrying out the job for 4 years.  As a progressive, if I think that, I know that swing voters think that.  We are potentially marching into a slaughter.

I am no closer to supporting Trump and I think he completely destructive to America.  I just think that we can do better than Joe Biden, because it has become apparent to me that he isn't fully cognitive at all hours of the day.  We live in a post-debate world.  I saw an old man unable to form cogent sentences and I feel like I'm being asked to ignore that.
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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2024, 02:30:50 pm »

The argument isn't about Biden vs. Trump.  It's about the promise of replacing Biden vs. Trump.
No, this argument is literally about the election.  To wit:

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I feel like I'm being asked to ignore what my eyes are seeing, which is that the person who I support isn't able to fully do the job.
Your concerns have nothing to do with how Biden has done his JOB.  If Biden were not running for re-election (and had not participated in the debate) you would be as silent as the crypt right now.  Biden's job performance has been just fine.

Your concerns are about this election debate performance, and how it impacts this election.  And you acknowledge this:

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As a progressive, if I think that, I know that swing voters think that.  We are potentially marching into a slaughter.

Everyone ignores Trump's senile statements on the regular, and no one on the right is pooping their pants about how it is ruining their chances to win.
Grow a spine.
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