If Biden were to step aside and Kamala Harris were the Democratic nominee

[Spider-Dan]

If you watch the NATO press conference, Biden is talking quite capably, in detail, about US strategy in foreign policy... but no one cares because he said "Vice President Trump," or because he mixed up Zelenskyy and Putin's names once.  (Never mind that Trump has repeatedly referred to Biden as "Obama.")

This ongoing "scandal" is the media with its teeth set on a bone.  In 2016, when the president of CBS, Les Moonves, said, "Trump may not be good for America, but he's good for CBS," it was emblematic of the problem we still see today: our media no longer understands how to do anything but chase for more clicks and eyeballs, and the continuance of this "Biden must withdraw" coverage gets more views than covering, say, Republicans' intent to implement fetal personhood.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

If you watch the NATO press conference, Biden is talking quite capably, in detail, about US strategy in foreign policy... but no one cares because he said "Vice President Trump," or because he mixed up Zelenskyy and Putin's names once.  (Never mind that Trump has repeatedly referred to Biden as "Obama.")

This ongoing "scandal" is the media with its teeth set on a bone.  In 2016, when the president of CBS, Les Moonves, said, "Trump may not be good for America, but he's good for CBS," it was emblematic of the problem we still see today: our media no longer understands how to do anything but chase for more clicks and eyeballs, and the continuance of this "Biden must withdraw" coverage gets more views than covering, say, Republicans' intent to implement fetal personhood.

I didn't see his NATO address, but I did see his address regarding the shooting of Trump, I also recall how Trump responded to the attack on Paul Pelosi.  One was Presidential, one was the ramblings of a deranged old man. 

[Denver2]

It’s all over now

[Downunder Dolphan]

It’s all over now

Yep. The Murdoch media is in overload covering Biden gaffs as an old Mitch McConnell Dementia effected old man... and Trump's miracle assassination attempt. It's all over.

The Rowe court case appeal was too long ago... as was the stacked Supreme Court and everything else. There are guys here who will maintain the rage... but in the real numbers who actually go out there and show up to vote when it counts? Where it counts in the rust belt states... If you assholes really want to brag to be the best democracy in the world, you are going to have to actually get off your asses to do it. I can't see it happening. Which is bad news for the rest of us assholes.

[Pappy13]

I just wanted to step in here after everyone had their say and point out that my question was really about whether you would vote for Harris or really any woman as President. I believe that there's a pretty strong contingent of voters that won't vote for a woman president at this time. That's just my opinion. I realize now that I worded my original question poorly, so I didn't bother to stop the discussion.

[Sunstroke]

I believe that there's a pretty strong contingent of voters that won't vote for a woman president at this time. That's just my opinion.

Yep, there are total idiots among voters...nothing new.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I believe that there's a pretty strong contingent of voters that won't vote for a woman president at this time. That's just my opinion.

While I won't deny sexism exists,  I don't believe that it is more prevalent than racism.   In the early 2000s I was discussing with friends  which would happen first: a black president or a female president.  We all agreed that we would likely see a female president relatively soon but that we were decades away from a non-white president.  Obviously we were wrong.  But I still stand by the idea that the prejudice against blacks is greater than the prejudice against women.  And we did elect an AA.

Hillary wasn't a good candidate.  Obama was an outstanding candidate.  I could see Katie Porter as president. 

[Dave Gray]

I just wanted to step in here after everyone had their say and point out that my question was really about whether you would vote for Harris or really any woman as President. I believe that there's a pretty strong contingent of voters that won't vote for a woman president at this time. That's just my opinion. I realize now that I worded my original question poorly, so I didn't bother to stop the discussion.

Yes.  I've voted for a woman before.  I will vote for Harris.  I will vote for women in the future.

In this election, I will vote for the candidate in direct opposition to Donald Trump, man or woman, alive or dead.

[Sunstroke]

Yes.  I've voted for a woman before.  I will vote for Harris.  I will vote for women in the future.

In this election, I will vote for the candidate in direct opposition to Donald Trump, man or woman, alive or dead.

ding-ding-ding...we have a winner (I sure hope so anyway).

[SCFinfan]

I think y'all are crazy if you don't run a Harris-Obama ticket.

Harris is the clear front-runner here when Biden steps down. Newsom has plasticface and so does Whitmer and their states are either covered poorly (CA) or not really cared about (MI). Can't run Hillary again - too old and lacks energy, plus all the in-built oppo from 2016.

That said, I don't think Kamala has any appeal to most of your base, (she couldn't even come close to winning the 2020 primary despite a lot of unwarrantedly positive coverage) and she gives off crazy ex-wife vibes. I'm sorry - she does, and a lot of independents see it.

So you have to shore her up with someone who is charismatic - Obama is the guy. There's nothing AFAIA stopping him from being nominated as the vice president except that it looks like a cheap ploy. Your side will eat it up tho, and some of the more ignorant independents will go along with it.

[Dave Gray]

not really cared about (MI)

Michigan is one of the most important states.  There are essentially 7 states that matter.  It's one of them.

[Spider-Dan]

So you have to shore her up with someone who is charismatic - Obama is the guy. There's nothing AFAIA stopping him from being nominated as the vice president except that it looks like a cheap ploy.

You cannot elect a Vice President who is constitutionally ineligible to serve as President, which is the case for Barack Obama (and Bill Clinton, and Dubya).

[Dave Gray]

Not to mention that he'd never do it, anyway.  That's West Wing thinking.

If it goes down, Harris is the smoothest choice.  It's not my personal favorite option, but it has the least procedural baggage.  If Biden doesn't endorse and it's an open convention, I would personally be most excited about Whitmer, but I realize that there are risks with making the switch.

[SCFinfan]

Michigan is one of the most important states.  There are essentially 7 states that matter.  It's one of them.

This attitude got Bush 2 elected in 2000 (WV flipped) and Trump in 2016 (she didn't care about middle america much).

[SCFinfan]

You cannot elect a Vice President who is constitutionally ineligible to serve as President, which is the case for Barack Obama (and Bill Clinton, and Dubya).

I think it's still an open question and would go to SCOTUS and God knows what they'd decide.

https://digitalcommons.law.uga.edu/fac_artchop/1012/#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20the%20relevant%20constitutional,that%20office%20to%20the%20Presidency