Hill in cuffs before game.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

The cops do not have license to do whatever they want because they "fear for their safety."

It is necessary to ask you to roll the window down (at least partially) to communicate.  Once he handed over his information, it was appropriate to ask Hill to keep the window cracked for communication.  Asking him to keep the window fully rolled down is just the cop trying to flex power and establish dominance, and "I was concerned about my safety" as the evergreen excuse is no more valid than "I thought he was reaching for a weapon" as justification for every instance of police brutality.

If the windows weren't tinted that would be a valid agreement.  But a cop demanding that they are able to see the suspect is a reasonable safety demand.     

[Spider-Dan]

If tinted front windows were deemed to be a safety hazard in Florida, they would be illegal, as they are in, say, California.

Again, the idea that the police can just do whatever they please for "safety reasons" is not a valid justification.  Even in this instance of clear and egregious abuse of power by the police, we still have people all over the internet saying "but what about police safety?"  Even when it is a famous, wealthy athlete, in a million dollar car, in broad daylight in front of a packed stadium, the police are always allowed to treat you like a suspected member of a Mexican drug cartel if they pull you over for so much as a busted taillight.

This kind of police overreach should be curtailed, not rationalized.  Your rights do not evaporate when a paranoid cop pulls you over for a speeding ticket.

[Dave Gray]

I gave you one. 

When you get pulled over 99% of the time you are going to be told to keep you window down and hands on the steering wheel.  If you take your hands off the wheel, unbuckle your seat belt, reach for something, roll up you windows....the cop is going to get nervous that you are reaching for a weapon, this might result only in the cop getting upset at you, but it could result in a whole lot worse.  Hill refused to act in a manner that allowed to cops to see he wasn't reaching for a gun, handcuffs was one of the better possible outcomes. 

I don't think it is a reasonable fear that Tyreek Hill is going to reach for a gun in that situation.

[Denver2]

If tinted front windows were deemed to be a safety hazard in Florida, they would be illegal, as they are in, say, California.

Again, the idea that the police can just do whatever they please for "safety reasons" is not a valid justification.  Even in this instance of clear and egregious abuse of power by the police, we still have people all over the internet saying "but what about police safety?"  Even when it is a famous, wealthy athlete, in a million dollar car, in broad daylight in front of a packed stadium, the police are always allowed to treat you like a suspected member of a Mexican drug cartel if they pull you over for so much as a busted taillight.

This kind of police overreach should be curtailed, not rationalized.  Your rights do not evaporate when a paranoid cop pulls you over for a speeding ticket.

100 percent truth

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I don't think it is a reasonable fear that Tyreek Hill is going to reach for a gun in that situation.

Telling someone to keep their window down and their hand on the wheel is a very reasonable command.  Refusal is a valid reason for concern.  Neutralizing that concern through handcuffs is reasonable.  Neutralizing the threat by shooting the suspect as was done with Philando Castile is unreasonable. 

Cops have a right to go home at night, Tyreek Hill has a right to go home at night.  This happened. 

[Dave Gray]

I don't think you're allowing for enough context.

Tyreek Hill in the stadium parking lot surrounded by people in broad daylight is not "someone".  There is obviously no valid concern for him to have his window rolled all the way up, while he went back to run the license.

And anyway, HE DID IT!  And the cop pulled him out of the car anyway.

[Spider-Dan]

Hill committed the most serious offense possible in these United States: disrespecting a police officer.  Everything else is window dressing.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Hill committed the most serious offense possible in these United States: disrespecting a police officer.  Everything else is window dressing.

No, he committed the offense of giving the cop a reason to be justifiably concerned for his own safety. 

[Dave Gray]

No, he committed the offense of giving the cop a reason to be justifiably concerned for his own safety. 

GTFOH

[Fau Teixeira]

Did hills conduct justify getting taken down to the ground when he was standing talking to other cops in handcuffs? Did Calais Campbell deserve to be detained because he was observing from a safe distance and was on the phone?

Ego trips, these cops need to get fired. They do not have the temperament to have a badge and a gun.

[Spider-Dan]

No, he committed the offense of giving the cop a reason to be justifiably concerned for his own safety.

You are reinforcing the police's false trope that any time cops feel the tiniest bit of potential danger, that automatically justifies wild overreactions in response.

The moment Hill rolled down the window, all pretense of "threat to safety" was ended.  Doesn't matter; he disrespected a police officer so it was necessary to throw him to the ground and cuff him.

There is zero justification for how the police acted after Hill complied and rolled his window down.  And that's when all the abusive police actions happened!  Stop rationalizing their behavior.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I don't think you're allowing for enough context.

Tyreek Hill in the stadium parking lot surrounded by people in broad daylight is not "someone".  There is obviously no valid concern for him to have his window rolled all the way up, while he went back to run the license.

And anyway, HE DID IT!  And the cop pulled him out of the car anyway.

I want to understand what you think the context was and how this should have shaped the police's actions. 

Seems like you seem to be implying that because he is a Miami Dolphin's player he is less likely commit and act of violence against police officers.

I would point out that when the police ran his license it did their computer did not provide them with his receiving stats, but their computer almost certainly told them that he has a conviction for domestic assault, an arrest for child abuse and was in their database for an alleged assault at a bar about a year ago.  A cop might reasonably interpret his past history of violence as a red flag that his lack of willingness to keep his hands visible as a red flag that the suspect is a greater risk of committing  violence than the average traffic stop. 

[Denver2]

Yeah, Hill is no saint and the man is a bit of a head case to say the least but no he was not going to shoot the cops or attack them that close to stadium in broad daylight lol

This is just authoritarian cops doing what they always do which is intimidation. Cops act like any other gang they just have legal sanctions

[Spider-Dan]

I want to understand what you think the context was and how this should have shaped the police's actions. 

Seems like you seem to be implying that because he is a Miami Dolphin's player he is less likely commit and act of violence against police officers.

I would point out that when the police ran his license it did their computer did not provide them with his receiving stats, but their computer almost certainly told them that he has a conviction for domestic assault, an arrest for child abuse and was in their database for an alleged assault at a bar about a year ago.  A cop might reasonably interpret his past history of violence as a red flag that his lack of willingness to keep his hands visible as a red flag that the suspect is a greater risk of committing  violence than the average traffic stop.

Once again: the moment he rolled down his window, there was no more pretense of a threat to safety.  Everything the cops did after that moment was to prove a point: if you disrespect us, we will brutalize you.

[Pappy13]

I want to understand what you think the context was and how this should have shaped the police's actions.  

Seems like you seem to be implying that because he is a Miami Dolphin's player he is less likely commit and act of violence against police officers.

I would point out that when the police ran his license it did their computer did not provide them with his receiving stats, but their computer almost certainly told them that he has a conviction for domestic assault, an arrest for child abuse and was in their database for an alleged assault at a bar about a year ago.  A cop might reasonably interpret his past history of violence as a red flag that his lack of willingness to keep his hands visible as a red flag that the suspect is a greater risk of committing  violence than the average traffic stop.  

Even if you feel that the cops were justified in pulling him out of the vehicle and cuffing him, what's your justification for then forcing him to the ground after he was cuffed and just standing on the sidewalk? He wasn't a threat to anyone then. This is a traffic stop, not arresting a suspected murderer. Anyway you look at it, the cops went overboard even with giving them the benefit of the doubt.