Election 2024

[pondwater]

I wasn't in NYC in September 2001, so my day-to-day personal life wasn't affected.  Nevertheless, the events that followed seemed relevant in the 2004 and 2008 elections.

One can make the argument that the choice of president isn't really that important, but I don't think that argument is really compatible with claims that "the border crisis has exploded since Biden took office" or "Biden fucked up the Afghanistan pullout and got our people killed" or "Biden's inflation crisis is here."

In fact, it seems like the only time the "It doesn't really even matter who the president is, things would still be the same anyway" rationale is offered is when it's time to make excuses for another one of Trump's failures.

Life goes on now, just like it did every other time. Just like it will continue to. America decided what they wanted and it wasn't even close to being competitive. Your party picked the wrong candidate.

[Denver2]

The hell it wouldn't have.   A lot of bar and liquor store owners fought tooth and nail against this.  You want a buzz, grab a beer or a frozen drink.   Still want weed?   Go see your doctor and pay the $75 to get a medical card.

You gotta love free marketers needing government intervention in the market place to protect your business.

[masterfins]

Life goes on now, just like it did every other time. Just like it will continue to. America decided what they wanted and it wasn't even close to being competitive. Your party picked the wrong candidate.

It was more than the candidate; the Democrats have the wrong platform and have been heading down the wrong path for a decade.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Interesting;  When Trump announces his appointments google sees a spike in the search, "Can I change my vote?:

[masterfins]

Interesting;  When Trump announces his appointments google sees a spike in the search, "Can I change my vote?:

That is interesting, more and more Democrats want to back Trump.

[Sibster]

That is interesting, more and more Democrats want to back Trump.

Trump's premise is very similar to Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign.

Trump 2024- "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?"

Clinton 1992- "It's the economy, stupid"

The state of the economy will always be the number one issue in an election.

[Denver2]

Trump's premise is very similar to Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign.

Trump 2024- "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?"

Clinton 1992- "It's the economy, stupid"

The state of the economy will always be the number one issue in an election.

Four years ago the economy was in free fall and tens of thousands of people were dying weekly. Trump had a net job loss.


If he implements his tariffs and deports 20m people it will start a depression, and I for one hope every single one of his supporters loses everything they havez

[Sibster]

Four years ago the economy was in free fall and tens of thousands of people were dying weekly. Trump had a net job loss.


If he implements his tariffs and deports 20m people it will start a depression, and I for one hope every single one of his supporters loses everything they havez

I knew you were going to go there.   You seem to forget 2016-2019, nor do you recognize that COVID was the proverbial black swan and there were going to be problems regardless of who was in office.  That was way better than the last four years of substantial inflation.

And paying your bills and putting food on the table matters more than the stock market.  Like Clinton said in 1992, "Its the economy, stupid"

It still is

[Dave Gray]

You don't get to not blame Trump for the economy hit from COVID, but then blame Biden for the inflation from coming back from COVID.

[Sibster]

You don't get to not blame Trump for the economy hit from COVID, but then blame Biden for the inflation from coming back from COVID.

Actually, you can.  Because I seriously doubt prices would've skyrocketed the way they have.   Not to mention that had he won, the Dems would be celebrating the end of him and possibly have their candidate in office come January.

[Fau Teixeira]

Actually, you can.  Because I seriously doubt prices would've skyrocketed the way they have.   Not to mention that had he won, the Dems would be celebrating the end of him and possibly have their candidate in office come January.

no you can't

[Spider-Dan]

Actually, you can.  Because I seriously doubt prices would've skyrocketed the way they have.

Prices did skyrocket in 2020.  Remember the supply chain issues?

You simply dismiss all the inflation that happened under Trump as "COVID."

[Denver2]

Prices did skyrocket in 2020.  Remember the supply chain issues?

You simply dismiss all the inflation that happened under Trump as "COVID."

Which ignores that prices were rising anyway due to steel tariffs.

Fact is Biden managed the best Covid recovery of any industrial nation and was blamed for it because the public is incapable of understanding inflation and the corporate media did nothing but talk about high prices for four years.

They’ll all get what they deserve though if the Senate actually lets Trump get his insane tariffs.

Just wait until the high prices hit lol

[Dave Gray]

I am notoriously bad at predicting Trump actions, but I don't think he'll do these across the board tariffs.  He'll create a bunch of bluster, use it as a threat to punish or reward companies here, but then he'll kinda declare victory on it and he'll lose interest.  It's not like his voters care about the actual policy.  It'll be "the wall" all over again.  He'll do some bits and bobs that's only moderately ineffective, say that he did it, and then move on to something else.

[Denver2]

I am notoriously bad at predicting Trump actions, but I don't think he'll do these across the board tariffs.  He'll create a bunch of bluster, use it as a threat to punish or reward companies here, but then he'll kinda declare victory on it and he'll lose interest.  It's not like his voters care about the actual policy.  It'll be "the wall" all over again.  He'll do some bits and bobs that's only moderately ineffective, say that he did it, and then move on to something else.

I have a feeling the senate will reel him in because enforcement of the tariffs he promises would lead to sky high prices and economic collapse.