Election 2024

[CF DolFan]

Trump uses tariffs for negotiating purposes so many of those threats will never happen. Those that do will likely quickly be removed. Much of what he says is theatre to bring people to the table ... which it has already done.  People can dislike the guy for many reasons but he is very good at negotiations. 

[Spider-Dan]

I guess Democrats should adopt this innovative negotiation tactic of "We will completely destroy our own economy" in order to... um, bring people to the table, whatever that means.

[Sibster]

I guess Democrats should adopt this innovative negotiation tactic of "We will completely destroy our own economy" in order to... um, bring people to the table, whatever that means.

Destroying the economy has already been accomplished by the Dems.   Now it's on Trump to fix it.   

Prices did skyrocket in 2020.  Remember the supply chain issues?

You simply dismiss all the inflation that happened under Trump as "COVID."

Nice try.  Prices did not skyrocket in 2020 due to supply chain issues.  That didn't start happening until late spring 2021, after Biden took office.

If you're gonna point to inflation as to why this economy is a mess, get the dates right.

[CF DolFan]

I guess Democrats should adopt this innovative negotiation tactic of "We will completely destroy our own economy" in order to... um, bring people to the table, whatever that means.

It doesn't work that way and I'm sure you know that ... or maybe it's me who is missing it? In 2017 I get the nervousness but not today. What exactly were you not able to afford during Trump's last term? I mean, even Biden not only kept them in place but raised them in some instances.

[Fau Teixeira]

It doesn't work that way and I'm sure you know that ... or maybe it's me who is missing it? In 2017 I get the nervousness but not today. What exactly were you not able to afford during Trump's last term? I mean, even Biden not only kept them in place but raised them in some instances.

So inflation didn't happen? The price of goods didn't go up ?

[CF DolFan]

So inflation didn't happen? The price of goods didn't go up ?

Not until Covid happened. I know you're going to say that doesn't matter but I'm not going to argue that silly argument. The Covid era was unlike anything modern history has ever seen.

[Fau Teixeira]

What I'm going to say is that you put a tariff on a country and the rise in costs doesn't immediately happen. There are a million different factors leading up to that, including off the top of my head:

- the length of the supply chain
- how much already purchased product is sitting in warehouses
- items already purchased leading up to the tariffs waiting for fulfillment

Once companies exhaust supplies of a product, then tariffs will kick in. This is going to depend on a whole bunch of things.

Tariffs will drive prices up. Not in 2025 probably, but by 2027 at the very latest you'll feel the results.

Unless of course companies knowing the tariff boogeyman is out there decide to increase prices in anticipation of tariffs just to squeeze more profit into a quarterly filing. (which they will do)

[masterfins]

What I'm going to say is that you put a tariff on a country and the rise in costs doesn't immediately happen. There are a million different factors leading up to that, including off the top of my head:

- the length of the supply chain
- how much already purchased product is sitting in warehouses
- items already purchased leading up to the tariffs waiting for fulfillment

Once companies exhaust supplies of a product, then tariffs will kick in. This is going to depend on a whole bunch of things.

Tariffs will drive prices up. Not in 2025 probably, but by 2027 at the very latest you'll feel the results.

Unless of course companies knowing the tariff boogeyman is out there decide to increase prices in anticipation of tariffs just to squeeze more profit into a quarterly filing. (which they will do)

In theory what you say is true, but if the cost of a barrel of crude oil goes up $5 tonight, then the pump price at my local station will increase tomorrow morning.  They aren't waiting the 60 days or more for that actual fuel to reach their tanks.  Businesses will raise the prices now and pocket the extra profits.

[CF DolFan]

What I'm going to say is that you put a tariff on a country and the rise in costs doesn't immediately happen. There are a million different factors leading up to that, including off the top of my head:

- the length of the supply chain
- how much already purchased product is sitting in warehouses
- items already purchased leading up to the tariffs waiting for fulfillment

Once companies exhaust supplies of a product, then tariffs will kick in. This is going to depend on a whole bunch of things.

Tariffs will drive prices up. Not in 2025 probably, but by 2027 at the very latest you'll feel the results.

Unless of course companies knowing the tariff boogeyman is out there decide to increase prices in anticipation of tariffs just to squeeze more profit into a quarterly filing. (which they will do)

Fau ... going back to my original post. It is already working without even being in place.

Trump has been speaking with the President of Mexico and after speaking with Trump the President of Mexico insisted there was now "no possibility of a tariff war" between Mexico and the US.

Trudeau spent yesterday at Mar-a-Lago basically begging Trump not to do it as it would destroy Canada. Trump responded that if Canada couldn't survive without robbing Americans of over 100 billion a year that maybe Canada should become the 51st state. 

[CF DolFan]

I guess Democrats should adopt this innovative negotiation tactic of "We will completely destroy our own economy" in order to... um, bring people to the table, whatever that means.

Gravedigging this because so far Trump's tariffs have gotten us negotiations with Venezuela and Mexico. His threat to take over Panama has caused the Panamanians to void the contract with China. In a game of Chicken Trump rarely blinks first and it seems that's how he likes to bring negotiations into his favor. Canada will be the next to give in.

[Fau Teixeira]

The funny thing with Canada is that Trudeau's most popular move by far has been to threaten retaliatory tariffs against the US and specifically red state products.  At this point they'd be dumb to fold, it would be incredibly unpopular. They're booing the american anthem in hockey and basketball games now.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Trump is doing his best to accelerate inflation.  Took Biden two years to get Trump's spiraling inflation under control and now Trump is making sure we have record inflation.

[Spider-Dan]

Gravedigging this because so far Trump's tariffs have gotten us negotiations with Venezuela and Mexico. His threat to take over Panama has caused the Panamanians to void the contract with China. In a game of Chicken Trump rarely blinks first and it seems that's how he likes to bring negotiations into his favor. Canada will be the next to give in.

The Art Of The Deal:



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CF, I thought you'd be mad about Trump's decision to increase gun control along the border as part of that agreement with Mexico, but I guess that you just assume he's lying (like you do any time he promises to do something you don't like).

[CF DolFan]

No reason to try and find a reason for me to not like Trump. Sadly I have learned to take the good with the bad. Those posts are from Trumps last time in office and they aren't currently enforcing that.

I'm really pissed at Trump for what's going on in Florida. Trulieve, who his Chief of Staff is a lobbyist for, is trying to run this state and Trump is allowing it to happen. She also hates DeSantis because he fired her.The Florida Legislature passed a bill removing authority to remove illegals from DeSantis and put it in the hands of the Commissioner of Agriculture who is in bed with them as well.  It gives amnesty to illegals so much that protesting illegals are thanking them for fighting DeSantis. Big Sugar and Trulieve need illegals to pay low wages and benefits and Trump has not only been silent, but has continued to support those running for office who are backing this bill. Fortunately DeSantis has been fighting it and the people are letting them have it. So much that they have refused to send it to him because he wants to publicly veto it. They are trying to make DeSantis a lame duck so he doesn't replace Trump croney Rick Scott next election cycle.

[Fau Teixeira]

Didn't florida pass a fairly strict immigration thing a few years back. It caused a bunch of migrants to leave the state and not work in agriculture or construction in florida. The thing that i remember from that was a republican house member or two telling migrants that they shouldn't leave florida ..they were only doing it for votes.