GM talk (was Re: Game Balls - Texans)

[Spider-Dan]

He is responsible for obtaining injury prone player when they have a history of injury. [...]
I've already said he has made some good picks. This doesn't change the fact he has yet to field a team that is a Super Bowl contender or anywhere close.

"Grier should not have acquired these injury-prone players" is a perfectly reasonable argument!  Out of the players I listed above, Tua, AJ, Phillips, and Chubb have all missed significant amounts of time.  So which of those players are you calling a bad acquisition?  A player cannot be both a "good pick" AND a "poor choice."

I really do not understand the fight for mediocrity.

You and I see this very differently.  Where you see a "fight for mediocrity," I look at 30 years of making changes just to make them and see a clearly-failed approach.

If you think Chris Grier has made mistakes, then name those specific moves.  But if you're just looking at the results and saying "Somebody needs to be fired"... well, the Dolphins have been firing somebody for three decades.

If the only specific problem you can identify is the record, you have no idea how to fix it.

[Dave Gray]

If you think Chris Grier has made mistakes, then name those specific moves.  But if you're just looking at the results and saying "Somebody needs to be fired"... well, the Dolphins have been firing somebody for three decades.

If the only specific problem you can identify is the record, you have no idea how to fix it.

This very much sums up my feelings.  I am not even pro-Grier, per se, but I can't really look at the roster and think that we haven't been getting better and better.  It just seems like people out for blood and he's a guy that's been around a while.  None of this feels like an actual reaction to things he's done.

[CF DolFan]

Off the top of my head Channing Tindall, Noah Ignoginee and Cam Smith but just a touch on Grier's mistakes in our most vulnerable spots ... the trenches.

Terron Armstead was injury plagued before Miami so you have to count about 5 games without him every year. Robert Jones is not an NFL starter. Liam Eichenberg is not an NFL starter. Aaron Brewer is too small on short yardage plays. He can get out in the field to make blocks but gets run over on short yardage. Happens pretty regularly with out OL. Kendall Lamm is not an NFL starter. That's our offensive line and just a few reasons we are not a great team.

Benito Jones is not an NFL starter. Calais Campbell is a part time replacement for Wilkins. No production when Campbell is out 50% of the time. Even though AVG publicly declared he wanted to stay here we did not make him an offer but instead went after Shaq Barret. Chop Robinson is a project player who still can't protect against the run. Ogbah didn't get signed by anyone so we signed him after Shaq Barret quit. Grier had no plan to replace Chubb who at best would have played the last couple of games. That's some of our defensive line issues.

Another key note is our starting inside LBer and captain was let go mid season because of how bad he was. He's since been let go by the Lions too.

We have some good players but they obviously can't cover up the shortfalls that Grier refuses to upgrade. In fact he laughs at us when the the subject was brought up by reporters. Add in the fact we overpay for other people's draftees and refuse to pay our guys is mind boggling. Oh yes, and we had no legitimate back up plan for Tua.

The guy is not good at his job and the records continue to prove that.

[Downunder Dolphan]

This very much sums up my feelings.  I am not even pro-Grier, per se, but I can't really look at the roster and think that we haven't been getting better and better.  It just seems like people out for blood and he's a guy that's been around a while.  None of this feels like an actual reaction to things he's done.

Yeah, I think it's a package deal, and we can't dump one part of it the way some people have suggested. Ross has done that before, and it didn't work out too well. It's not bad enough for a total blow up either (yet).

Grier - McD - Tua.

Up until this the end of last season, we seemed to have some kind of hope, and that's credits in the bank for at least one more season. 

That said, they all deserve criticism for what they have got wrong.

[CF DolFan]

Yeah, I think it's a package deal, and we can't dump one part of it the way some people have suggested. Ross has done that before, and it didn't work out too well. It's not bad enough for a total blow up either (yet).

Grier - McD - Tua.

Up until this the end of last season, we seemed to have some kind of hope, and that's credits in the bank for at least one more season.  

That said, they all deserve criticism for what they have got wrong.

I disagree. That's an NFL old wives' tale.  There are many examples of GMs being let go or left while coaches were retained in the NFL and it worked out just fine.  After all the turmoil in the 49ers organization in the late ’90s, Bill Walsh stepped out of retirement and became the team’s general manager in 1999 and retained Steve Mariucci. Worked out pretty well for them both.

took this info from an older article ...

Since 1995, excluding expansion teams, there have been 95 new general managers hired in the NFL. Slightly more than half of those GMs (50) hired new head coaches, served as joint general manager/head coach, or were brought in with a new coach together as part of a regime change. That leaves 45 general managers who inherited head coaches and let them stick around for a season.

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Of the 50, only 11 of them hired a new head coach in year two. The most recent example is in Chicago, where Phil Emery brought in Marc Trestman after a one-year Lovie Smith experiment.  In other words, when new GMs gave their inherited coach a trial period, it usually lasted longer than one year.
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In fact, 22 of the 32 head coaches retained for year two of the new regime posted winning records in their “tryout” season.