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[Spider-Dan]

If it weren't for guns Americans would have been arrested and put into camps like Austrailians when Covid hit.

The 2nd Amendment still existed when Americans were literally rounded up and put into camps.



Not only did the 2nd Amendment do nothing to stop this, had any of these Americans TRIED to use a gun on the jackbooted thugs who came to take them to camps, they and their families would have been slaughtered.

The 2nd Amendment does nothing to protect Americans from the government.  If you don't have political power and you try to use a gun against the government, you and your family will be slaughtered.  And if you DO have political power, you don't even need guns to violently take control of the government.

You literally said banning guns will prevent them from getting them but banning porn will have no effect in the same post.

Uh, porn is still legal for adults.  So no, trying to prevent minors from accessing porn cannot work when it is freely accessible to adults.  (This is the same way minors easily get alcohol and tobacco!) It's kind of like how a gun ban in Chicago can't work if a lawless Indiana is a 10 minute drive away.

We should make drugs illegal too so they won't get them either. LMAO

Don't you support the criminalization of street drugs like heroin and crack?   If so, this statement from you is incredibly ironic.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

To play Devil's advocate, the gun owners were on the side of most of these policies. I am a gun owner myself and most of us would only consider arms for things that affect us, not the other guy.

Exactly.  The 2A hasn't been used to prevent tyranny and oppression of "the little guy" but rather to perpetrate it.   

[CF DolFan]

The 2nd Amendment still existed when Americans were literally rounded up and put into camps.



Not only did the 2nd Amendment do nothing to stop this, had any of these Americans TRIED to use a gun on the jackbooted thugs who came to take them to camps, they and their families would have been slaughtered.

Most Americans supported this is why. It has absolutely nothing to do with most Americans having guns. Not saying it is right but I think we learned from it as we didn't do it again after 9-11. I think it also put people on notice on how easily it could happen again to them. When Americans as a whole don't support the movement of our government they rise up. That's why we are free today and have a constitution protecting it to do it again.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Most Americans supported this is why. It has absolutely nothing to do with most Americans having guns. Not saying it is right but I think we learned from it as we didn't do it again after 9-11. I think it also put people on notice on how easily it could happen again to them. When Americans as a whole don't support the movement of our government they rise up. That's why we are free today and have a constitution protecting it to do it again.

First off most American's don't own guns.  Less than a third of all US adults own a gun.  While guns out number people in the USA only a minority of people actually own a gun.  But many gun owners own an entire arsenal,   

I agree gun ownership had zero to do with the round up during wwii or the change that occurred after 9/11.

But what is ludicrous is the constant implication by the NRA is that gun ownership is what prevents tyranny. As if Bush had issued a similar order to 9066 after 9/11 it would have been the NRA and its members blocking such implantation rather than aiding it. 

It would be the opponents of the NRA fighting such an order in 2001 

Fact is gun ownership hasn't aided the little guy.  It has been used to oppress the little guy. 

Gun ownership isn't about self defense.  It is about dominance over others that you yourself provoke e.g. George Zimmerman

[Spider-Dan]

Most Americans supported this is why.

Exactly.  As I said: if you have political power you don't need guns, and if you don't have political power, no amount of guns will help you.

Not saying it is right but I think we learned from it as we didn't do it again after 9-11.

If Trump sends his ICE to Springfield to round up the legal Haitian immigrants and their American children into camps, the "anti-tyranny" 2nd Amendment supporters in this country will get blisters from clapping so hard.  And if any of these immigrants (or their American relatives) try to use guns to stop it, the full force of the federal government will crush them, just like Waco.  Because Americans will always support the right people being rounded up into camps.

[CF DolFan]

I wish I could remember which liberal leader said it but it was something like "if Ukraine residents had all the ARs from the US they would be able to defeat Russia" .... saying it as if we should give up our guns to them but actually was proving why we have guns. I think it was Pelosi but it could have been AOC or even Chuck Schumer.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I wish I could remember which liberal leader said it but it was something like "if Ukraine residents had all the ARs from the US they would be able to defeat Russia" .... saying it as if we should give up our guns to them but actually was proving why we have guns. I think it was Pelosi but it could have been AOC or even Chuck Schumer.

Probably wasn't an actual liberal leader but a made up meme. 

Ukraine doesn't have a small arms shortage. If shipping them AR15 would have helped them then the US would have shipped them the military version the M16 of which the US Army has a huge stockpile. Ukraine has not requested M16s they have requested F16s.   

Under any real scrutiny your talking points are utter nonsense.  Private ownership of guns has not prevented human rights abuses in the US it has help perpetrate them. 

The 2A might have played a role in the war of 1812, but it has had nothing to do with fending off or preventing an invasion since.  Japan and Germany's failure to invade mainland US in WWII had zero to do with private gun ownership and everything to do with two oceans.  What deterred the USSR during the cold war was nukes not Joe Shmo owning an AR.   

[Sibster]

The 2A might have played a role in the war of 1812, but it has had nothing to do with fending off or preventing an invasion since.  Japan and Germany's failure to invade mainland US in WWII had zero to do with private gun ownership and everything to do with two oceans.  What deterred the USSR during the cold war was nukes not Joe Shmo owning an AR.   

Really?  Then why was a Japanese military leader quoted as saying when asked why Japan didn't invade the mainland U.S. "There would be citizens hiding behind every rock, tree, and blade of grass and all of them would have guns."

[Dave Gray]

1) That is a made up quote:

https://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/

2) Even if it were real, one person said one thing in history.  Who gives a shit?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Really?  Then why was a Japanese military leader quoted as saying when asked why Japan didn't invade the mainland U.S. "There would be citizens hiding behind every rock, tree, and blade of grass and all of them would have guns."

For the same reason why you claim that it prevents tyranny.  It is part of 2A fantasy. 

What exactly do you envision here?  China goes war to the US.  US nukes don't deter them.  The US Navy and Air Force fail to sink the invasion fleet, the US Army and Marines are unable to prevent the invasion, but then you and your drinking buddy armed with AR15s defeat a Chinese battalion and that makes China decide to retreat?

While it is true that the sheer quantity of guns in civilian hands would make occupying the US more difficult.  But, occupation occurs after invasion.   So your scenario only occurs after the USA loses the war.  And the US is playing the the role of the Iraqis in 2007.

[CF DolFan]

Probably wasn't an actual liberal leader but a made up meme. 

Nope. It was an actual Tweet from one of them although I can't remember who. It was like 3 years ago at the beginning of the invasion. I believe it was before Elon owned it ... but I could be wrong about that part.

1) That is a made up quote:

https://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/

Kind of funny you are using a reference that was just revealed to be skewed and consistently leaving out contradictory facts. I'm not saying you're wrong but your source really isn't entirely credible. I've always heard it was a movie quote and not an actual quote. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Nope. It was an actual Tweet from one of them although I can't remember who.

Found it.  It was a Canadian MP suggesting sending the illegal weapons seized in Canada including AR15 be sent Ukraine.

[Spider-Dan]

If the 2A worked the way gun nuts claim it does, the Confederacy would exist today.

[CF DolFan]

If the 2A worked the way gun nuts claim it does, the Confederacy would exist today.

Really? Now the majority of the country supported the confederacy? That's not how it was presented in our history classes. Thanks for the laugh. I'm guessing for you any 2A supporting person thinks them and their buddies can take over the country with their guns.

"The population of the Union was 18.5 million. In the Confederacy, the population was listed as 5.5 million free and 3.5 million enslaved." https://www.nps.gov/civilwar/facts.htm

In fact, outside of slaves, the Union had a about a 9-1 ratio (18.5 million to 2 million) of people. Add in the amount of agriculture, horses, and other supplies and it's a miracle it lasted as long as it did.

I know you want to think the military is going to just start carpet bombing civilians and all but that's not how war works against your own people. Doesn't take a genius to see what's happened between Ukraine-Russia. Besides our military is 2/3rds conservative so like the Civil War ... people would choose sides. Vets are overwhelmingly conservative so there is that too.

[Spider-Dan]

The majority of the Confederacy supported the Confederacy!  So if the 2A worked the way you claim, the people of the Confederacy would have used their constitutional right to armed rebellion to continually oppose the Union after the war until the Union eventually gave up and granted the South their freedom.