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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2025, 04:03:09 pm »

Availability is important.
this is the last argument of the Tua haters.
"oh he's injured ALL THE TIME"
Tua has proven to be a good QB, and yes he missed games this year, and the Dolphins paid for it.

Haters gonna hate all the time.  When Tua played 17 games and topped the stat categories, it was "Tyreek made him."  Dude can't get any respect.  Now Tua missed time and Tyreek didn't even get 1000 yards.  But tell me again that Tyreek made Tua. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2025, 04:11:39 pm »

Whether Flores was right remains to be seen.   But the way he went about it, casting himself as a victim of systematic racism was definitely wrong.
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2025, 05:14:52 pm »

this is the last argument of the Tua haters.
"oh he's injured ALL THE TIME"
Tua has proven to be a good QB, and yes he missed games this year, and the Dolphins paid for it.

Haters gonna hate all the time.  When Tua played 17 games and topped the stat categories, it was "Tyreek made him."  Dude can't get any respect.  Now Tua missed time and Tyreek didn't even get 1000 yards.  But tell me again that Tyreek made Tua. Roll Eyes
I've supported Tua the whole time but after this past season I have to agree with the injury frustration. Both injuries could have been avoided. He is a very good QB and does things others can't but out of his 3 seasons he didn't finish in 2 of them. He's obviously more fragile than the average QB.

I feel similarly about Armstead. He's fantastic but only here 2/3rds of the time and doesn't practice. Overall that isn't good for the team.
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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2025, 06:18:10 pm »

The only criticism I really have about Tua is that dude absolutely refuses to protect himself.

I can't remember Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, or Mahomes EVER missing games because they chose not to slide.  Yet this happened twice to Tua this year alone.  It doesn't matter how much you invest in your OL if your QB is continually trying to truck defenders.
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2025, 08:13:10 pm »

Among career rate stats, Herbert has a better INT % and yards/game, while Tua is better in literally every other rate stat.  You can argue about how close it is, but Herbert is worse.  So you have to value INT % pretty highly to even try to make the argument that Herbert is better on stats.
The difference in INT rate is pretty significant though whereas all the other differences are pretty small. You don't have to value INT rate highly, you just have to rate it approximately equal value to the other stats to make the argument that Herbert is the better QB in my humble opinion. Either those that rate Herbert the better QB think the difference in INT % is significant enough to make him the better QB or they aren't looking at stats alone which is my guess.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2025, 09:24:53 am »

Availability is important.

Yes, which is literally the first thing I said.

But if you discount that, in terms of the actual play, I think Tua has had the better career thus far.
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