Was Flores right?

[Denver2]

Reporting has it that Flores wanted Herbert or Love in the draft that year, both those guys are in the playoffs. For what it’s worth Flores is DC in the NFC North Championship game tonight.

As a side note, I hate Ryan Fitzpatrick. Max Kellerman is right he’s good enough to doom your franchise.

We should have Joe Burrow.

[masterfins]

I always wanted Hebert, I'm not sold on Love.

[Spider-Dan]

Everyone wanted Joe Burrow, who also isn't in the playoffs this year.  And Herbert wasn't in the playoffs last year.

[Denver2]

I always wanted Hebert, I'm not sold on Love.

I think he was right with Herbert I’m iffy on Love too but had we got a stud OLineman and Love who knows

Flores sucks for other reasons including not trying to make Tua work once he was here but he has to feel some vindication these days.

Tua has been near elite for stretches but the number one thing a player needs is to be available.

( I know Burrow has had injury issues to but as a pure passer he is the best QB in the league and it irks me we failed at tanking, for Luck and for Burrow )

[Denver2]

Well Herbie had a game as bad as Tua did against the Texans.

[Downunder Dolphan]

Flores was sure as hell wrong about wanting Watson (especially with what it ended up costing the Browns)

After tonights game against the Texans, I can't say I see much that I'd want in Herbert over Tua either.

[Denver2]

Flores was sure as hell wrong about wanting Watson (especially with what it ended up costing the Browns)

After tonights game against the Texans, I can't say I see much that I'd want in Herbert over Tua either.

Oh yeah the Watson thing kind of cancels out if he was right about Herbie or Love.

Herbie had a shit game and so far so is Love.


Unrelated but I think we would have played Buffalo better than Denver did tofsys

[Pappy13]

Reporting has it that Flores wanted Herbert or Love in the draft that year...

I'm not buying this. If Flores wanted Herbert they would have taken Herbert. Flores wanted Tua over Herbert the problem was that he never really trusted Tua which doesn't really surprise me. He probably wouldn't have trusted Herbert if he had him either though. Flores is not an offensive minded coach, he wanted an experienced QB that didn't take unnecessary risks, that's why he liked Fitz. Sure Fitz is a gunslinger, but he's also smart enough not to take unnecessary risks. Tua was a rookie and needed a year or 2 of grooming before he was ready to play in the NFL and Fitz was the right guy to groom Tua. I was completely on board with Fitz playing ahead of Tua. Maybe it took Tua longer to be ready because he didn't play his first year, but based on what I saw, I think playing Tua his rookie year would have been a disaster. He's still not a mature QB in my opinion.

[Dave Gray]

If you are considering health, then yeah -- you take Herbert because he's on the field and isn't at a particularly high risk of losing his career in the next 2 years.

But just on play alone, I think Tua has been the better player, though they are comparable. 

[Pappy13]

But just on play alone, I think Tua has been the better player, though they are comparable. 

Outside of Miami, I don't think most agree with you. Most of the analysis of QB's that I see have Herbert as the better player up to this point in their careers. Neither is a top 5 QB in the league though. Maybe top 10. Maybe.

[Dave Gray]

Tua seems better on most things that are based on percentages, rather than raw numbers, because Herbert has played almost a season's more games.

But record as a starter, completion %, yards/attempt, QBR....Tua leads in all that stuff.  It's not a blowout, but Tua is better in every single one of those.  Also, just on the eye test, our line is bad and Tua gets better numbers in spite of it.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Tua seems better on most things that are based on percentages, rather than raw numbers, because Herbert has played almost a season's more games.

But record as a starter, completion %, yards/attempt, QBR....Tua leads in all that stuff.  It's not a blowout, but Tua is better in every single one of those.  Also, just on the eye test, our line is bad and Tua gets better numbers in spite of it.

Availability is important.

[Spider-Dan]

Burrow and Tua have missed a similar number of games and I don't think anyone has Herbert over Burrow.

[Pappy13]

Tua seems better on most things that are based on percentages, rather than raw numbers, because Herbert has played almost a season's more games.

Not all his stats are better. Herbert's interception rate is a lot better than Tua's and all the other stats are fairly close. I think just looking at stats alone you could argue Herbert is better. Just FYI, I don't consider winning percentage an individual stat so I discount that. Not saying everyone should discount it, I'm saying I discount it when comparing the 2 players.

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NAME      GMS ATT   COMP PCT  YARDS AVG TDS TD/A INT INT/A
TUA         64    2037 1387  68.1 15506  7.6  100  .049 44   .022
HERBERT 79    2926 1945  66.5 21093  7.2  137  .047 45   .015 

[Spider-Dan]

Among career rate stats, Herbert has a better INT % and yards/game, while Tua is better in literally every other rate stat.  You can argue about how close it is, but Herbert is worse.  So you have to value INT % pretty highly to even try to make the argument that Herbert is better on stats.